putting your self at risk with 22

[JMACK007]

Bob, seriously, you played that hand so bad, why did you put him on A high??? I don't know how you get that from the way he played....

And what were you calling the allin for?? even if you put him on A high, don't you think that maybe he has a club and it is definitely higher than yours?? you have 2 outs if you are lucky, and most times you are way behind.....

Have you seen Top Gun?? This was a successful mission, but an example of what not to do....

[bennymacca]

was this before or after the rebuy period? sorry if it has been mentioned, cbf re-reading the whole thread

if it was BEFORE then MAYBE i MIGHT call SOMETIMES.

after the rebuy period, its a pretty horrible call if you ask me. you dont beat anything except pure air, which he basically never has on a monotone board like that one.

[bennymacca]

btw bob, a flush draw is only 9 outs, not 10.

according to your read, you thought he had KQ or AK.

now, your opponent shoves. and you say what the hell, i have 11 outs. i call.

firstly, if you put him on AK or KQ, and he shoves, then about 99% of the time he would have a single club if he were to have those type of cards.

so really, you would be wanting to DODGE 8 outs (you have a club, so there are 8 left in the deck), not try to catch them.


can you see how your reasoning doesn't really make sense?

it really is ok to sometimes just say "oh well i played that hand really badly"

the other night, i raised with 99 and wabbitt called. flop came ace high, and he leads into me for full pot. i didn't put him on an ace, so i shoved, he snaps with AJ and i turn the 9.

in reality, i played the hand pretty badly. he isn't really d0nk betting into me without an ace, (d0nk betting means calling a raise and then leading into the preflop raiser, it doesn't mean he is a donk), but i played it pretty bad and got lucky.

these things happen, its ok to say that you played a hand bad once in a while.

[madali]

was this before or after the rebuy period? sorry if it has been mentioned, cbf re-reading the whole thread

It was well after re buys completed benny the cunt. Bob I like you but what made that hand worse was the fact that you spent the next 5 to 10 minutes trying to justify why you thought you had played the hand well. We all get lucky from time to time and it is OK to admit that. There is nothing worse as a player when you have been beaten badly to have the winner try and convince you that they played the hand well. It only makes the bad beat feel much worse and I think that is why pkrdad became so upset with the beat and why he started this post.

Next time try and take the other players feelings in to consideration and understand why they may be upset. pkrdad was taking the beat quite well in my mind and I think the worst he said was " I cant believe you called me with that" and to be honest I think that is what we were all thinking. But I know I have made some bad calls in my time and won and I think everyone has done it. When it happens dont say to yourself "wow I played that hand great" but accept it as luck and say to yourself " wow I got lucky". Failure to do this will see you not learning from this experience but instead continuing to make the same mistakes and next time you may not be so lucky.

[Bob B]

was this before or after the rebuy period? sorry if it has been mentioned, cbf re-reading the whole thread

It was well after re buys completed benny the cunt. Bob I like you but what made that hand worse was the fact that you spent the next 5 to 10 minutes trying to justify why you thought you had played the hand well.

Hi there queeny, yes it was after the rebuys (hand 65) and as I said in my reply post to Pokerdad I would have been as peed off as he was had it been the other way around.

And for the record I never, ever, implied at any time that I "Played that hand well". In fact as I said in my reply post to pokerdad I played it totally wrong as I should have stuck to my previous decision a few hands earlier and shoved ALLIN preflop.

Had I shoved preflop I'm sure pokerdad would have called and I would still have been just as embarrassed as I was when I called both of his raises.

We all get lucky from time to time and it is OK to admit that. There is nothing worse as a player when you have been beaten badly to have the winner try and convince you that they played the hand well. It only makes the bad beat feel much worse and I think that is why pkrdad became so upset with the beat and why he started this post.

Yes I did get lucky, and when he said "I cant believe you called me with that" I totally agreed with him and said "that was so sick M8"!Yes, I did try to explain my reasons in the chat box but as you know we are limitted to using only 2 lines and as you can see 2 lines is never enough for me!

Next time try and take the other players feelings in to consideration and understand why they may be upset. pkrdad was taking the beat quite well in my mind and I think the worst he said was " I cant believe you called me with that" and to be honest I think that is what we were all thinking.

Yes it seemed to get out of hand when others at the table had their say especially one young lady who is noted for playing any 2 cards and making some terrible bad beats. After refering to my notes on her I did say she should be the last one with an opinion on bad calls and she LOL'd

But I know I have made some bad calls in my time and won and I think everyone has done it. When it happens dont say to yourself "wow I played that hand great"(you and I both know I never said any such thing and to assume I thought or said any such thing is most anoying to me) but accept it as luck and say to yourself " wow I got lucky". Failure to do this will see you not learning from this experience but instead continuing to make the same mistakes and next time you may not be so lucky.

Unfortunately, you are lecturing the wrong person by assuming I play like that all the time. For what it's worth I do pride myself in playing good poker and very rarely if ever make a call such as the one in question.

I'll say this for the last time.

It was a terrible call but at the time I did say to myself what the hell!!! To be honest if I'm gonna ship my chips to someone then Pokerdad was worthy of them. I'd either be watching the telly with the missus or get lucky and catch a card.

I guess I got lucky and unfortunately it was against pokerdad.

[AJG]

To be honest if I'm gonna ship my chips to someone then Pokerdad was worthy of them. I'd either be watching the telly with the missus or get lucky and catch a card.

I guess I got lucky and unfortunately it was against pokerdad.

Not sure i would be saying this kind of thing... If you call an allin in the future cos u have to leave or whatever, with a marginal or worse hand, you could be accused of chip dumping, which is essentially what you were ok with doing here...
Don't play differently because your opponent is a mate, thats not in the spirit of poker.
(Edit: unless you are simply adjusting to his/her style, of course)

That said, I agree you never said you made a good play, just illustrated your thinking, which wasnt altogether that bad... Although imho even calling pre with 22 is a bad idea, even if you only think he is trying to resteal with 87o, you can really only hope to catch a set... and bottom set at that. Perhaps if you thought he was stealing then pushing over the top pre would have been the play? Any cards on the board are overs, and you will never be sure if he hit them or not, and calling cos u had flush outs is no reason, u needed 4 clubs, and nothing to make u think opponent didnt have a club.

[Scotty]

Let's just all agree it was a terrible call and draw a line under it.

[Bob B]

To be honest if I'm gonna ship my chips to someone then Pokerdad was worthy of them. I'd either be watching the telly with the missus or get lucky and catch a card.

I guess I got lucky and unfortunately it was against pokerdad.

Not sure i would be saying this kind of thing... If you call an allin in the future cos u have to leave or whatever, with a marginal or worse hand, you could be accused of chip dumping, which is essentially what you were ok with doing here...
Obviously, I never had to leave but I can see where you are coming from AJG. My reference to shipping my chips to Pokerdad was a poor choice of wording on my part.

I frown on people who do dump and I have at times been quite annoyed at those who do. I prefer to select the "sit out" button explain that I need to leave and allow my remaining chips to be blinded down.

Don't play differently because your opponent is a mate, thats not in the spirit of poker.
(Edit: unless you are simply adjusting to his/her style, of course)
I actually thought it was another guy or his wife with "DAD" in there ID that share the same ID and can play fairly erratic at times. My mistake and pokerdad wasn't too happy when I told him I thought it was him or her I was playing against.
That said, I agree you never said you made a good play, just illustrated your thinking, which wasnt altogether that bad... Although imho even calling pre with 22 is a bad idea, even if you only think he is trying to resteal with 87o, you can really only hope to catch a set... and bottom set at that. Perhaps if you thought he was stealing then pushing over the top pre would have been the play? Any cards on the board are overs, and you will never be sure if he hit them or not, and calling cos u had flush outs is no reason, u needed 4 clubs, and nothing to make u think opponent didnt have a club.

You don't need to tell me how bad pocket 2's are M8. I'm sure we have thrown them in the muck preflop more than once and treat them like 27 off.

Thanks for your input it was appreciated .

[Bob B]

Let's just all agree it was a terrible call and draw a line under it.

Yes it was and I agree __________________________ cheers.