You're a Bunch of Factors

Had the pleasure ( displeasure realy ) of being on the reciving end of what i would call the perfect trap last night.

Playing a $2 x 800 runner tourney last night.

Got my self past the bubble and was about 60th with 125 remaining sitting on about 7k with the blinds at $400


I am on the button with [ks kc]

UTG limps i get 1 other limper and i raise from the button to 1600.

Utg flat calls other player folds.

Flop comes [ qs 7c 6h ] or something to that effect.

UTG checks and i Bet 2400.

UTG waits then jams all in for a further 6k.

Wow- I tank and end up calling putting him on AK or somesuch.

He rolls [ A A ]. Wow i did not see that coming.

As i said the perfect trap. Pretty risky but i had to hand it too him as it completly blind sided me and i was feeling pretty good at the time so i felt i was in front.

So well done to that player, another lesson learnt, and in the end thats probably more valuble than the paultry cash i got.

is there any other way to play this hand, im up for any critisim, did any one smell a rat and if so how.

any thoughts apreciated, to play is to learn.

Seen this many times now. Happenned to me the other night, I posted it sumwhere.

The time to look out for this is late in the tourny when there's a lot of small/medium stacks playing shove or fold. So if you see UTG or early position just flat calling, be careful.

I wouldn't recommend not raising AA, but sometimes, as you found out, it can be a great move.

Here Krunch, i cut and pasted it. Not sure how you quote from another thread.Last Night. $22 buy-in, 2400+ players - fairly relaxed blinds

Down to 200 players (cash started at 381), Im in 11th position.
Blinds are 600/1200 ante 75. I have 48k

Im 14 from 14 at showdowns.

I have AK diamonds on BB

late position (42k) calls 1200.

Dealer (16k) raises to 4800.

SB folds

Before the dealer raise, i was wondering why a very aggressive player at a very aggressive table only called in late position when everyone else had folded to him.

I wasn't worried about the dealer as he had been stealing all night and always folded to a re-raise and he was extremely loose aggressive.

INSTANT BRAIN FART - I SHOVE

As soon as late position called i knew i'd stuffed up. Yep. Show me them bullets. Yes, there they are!

I wasn't out but my tourny was over.


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Both pretty standard IMO.

I don't think it's the perfect trap at all.

Any situation you're calling your stack off in that position unless you're good enough to get away from that hand, many people aren't.

Check shove isn't the best move there either from your opponent.

I've got more to say on this but I'm tired and can't think straight.

keep it coming garth, as i said any advice is aprreciated.

First of all you need some history about the table, what type of players they all are, etc...

Have you tangled with UTG previously? How many times has he limped from UTG or flatted out a raise from early?

All of these aspects are something to watch for.

Considering it's a $2 buy in tourney and you're in the late stages of the tournament, but stacks are still effectively deep enough, any resistance i receive when I'm betting on any streets sends alarm bells ringing.

What is his possible range to limp then flat a raise, but also what is his range to check shove on the flop.

AK is pretty specific an from the information you have you're so far off it's not funny;
I think his possible range from that position to flat would be low pockets, suited connectors, possibly picture paint suited and off suit. AA is a consideration as many novice players feel it's unbeatable and will still be winning on the flop, but KK - JJ would have players raising as anyone with an A is beating them (low stakes thinking).

So on that flop when he shoves I am putting him on a flopped set or he has hit TPTK or top with second best. Or he is shoving thinking I am making a late pos play to pick up blinds and antes and I'm c betting the flop.

Now with KK my money is almost always going in the pot here, this player is quite often thinking I am making a late position play for blinds and antes and his shoving range is HUGEEEE!. So out of his whole range he would limp call and check shove there is only a possible 3 or 4 hands that beat me, which means that I am winning in this situation 80% of the time.

What gives me pause is this, his shoving range is huge, but is a player in the late stages of the tournament willing to put his tournament life on the line with an allin bluff on the flop, even if he thinks I'm playing position?

A re raise from him is effectively all in, he has to give me some credit for some cards so he has to know unless I am feigning he is racing for his life.

So that check shove becomes a very strong move, if he wants the pot and thinks I'm playing position he jams the flop, in this case he knew I was going to c bet and wanted to price me in or at least make a donation before he pushes me off.

Still I call with KK but I know I am up against a strong hand, AQ, Bottom or mid set, possibbly AA or QQ at a minimum a very strong draw such as nut flush or up and down draw at worse.


I hope that makes sense, I'm really tired and it sounded right in my head.

Sounded spot on. Except you mis-spelt HUGEEEE!

Its HUUUUGE!!!

Dame Garth you are always in there with the wise wods of advice. keep it all comming.

Lol.

I hope you meant DAMN. I ain't no dame and I am sure to cop a fair bit of ribbing over this one.

Nice post, Dame Garth.