AQ vs A2

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AQ vs A2

Postby AceLosesKing » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:25 pm

Before I get into detail, some background on my table. When I went out, we were at 300/600 preflop. I had stayed at the same table all night. NOT ONCE had someone raised preflop. It was call, call, call, call. One lady limped in with pocket Queens.

I soon changed that :P Sitting in the BB with pocket 8s, and blinds 50/100, I make it 600 to see a flop. 3 limpers fold, I show. Later, blinds 200/400 I raise to 800 UTG with pocket Aces. There's an all in for 1000, folded around to me. He has Queens, I win. As I bloody well should, actually :P Now, the hand that I got out on...

Blinds 300/600. I'm in the BB with AQ off. There are 5 limpers. I figure I'm taking this pot now, I raise all in for 5200 total. But before I do, this lady burns a card and shows the first card of the flop, a 3.

"What the hell are you doing."
"Ohh!!! Sorry I didn't see, I thought you were checking!"
"..."

Apparently when my arm was down, placing my chips, she thought that was a check :roll:

We call Suzie over and ask her what needs to be done, she said that the 3 gets placed back in the deck, the cards are shuffled and a new flop is shown. So while the lady is doing that, the table decides what they want to do. Brett, a mate of mine, UTG, calls. He has 5400, so if he loses this pot he's only got 200 left. I'm shocked, I figure I'm smashed, he has to have high pockets. Everyone else folds and I cautiosly ask Brett what he has.

He shows A2 suited. What the hell is he putting his chips into that pot for, with Ace rag? Furthermore, what does he put me on? I obviously have to, at least, have a higher Ace than he does. I never considered Brett to be a great player, but I had more respect for him than throwing his entire stack in with A2 suited, PREFLOP. I honestly thought he was better than that.

Flop: 10 2 A.

Get stuffed. I had the chance to counterfeit the hand (something I despise, but I would've taken it :P) but it didn't happen. Brett has just won a $13k pot. He ended up 3rd for the night.

When I was standing up, looking ultra dejected, and pissed, the lady that burned the card by mistake said the next card was a 10, and that "she would've won that because she had the flush." Goddamit, you think I care about that? You just screwed up and its your fault I got out. Ok, Brett could've hit the 2, or a flush, or the straight anyway... but damn, I felt jipped.

Then Shannon told me today that the cards didn't need to be reshuffled, the next two cards are shown and the 3 is put into the deck and reshuffled. Sigh.

I don't even think I want to go to the wheatsheaf next week.
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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby Bacon » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:34 pm

There is usually conflicting viewpoints on what to do if a card on the board is dealt out of sequence.

On the flop, I'm never sure.

Once, the turn was done out of sequence, and James made us play the river as per usual, and the turn was returned & dealt, so that the river card was not changed as well.

It would be good to get a ruling on this.
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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby AceLosesKing » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:37 pm

Bacon wrote:There is usually conflicting viewpoints on what to do if a card on the board is dealt out of sequence.

On the flop, I'm never sure.

Once, the turn was done out of sequence, and James made us play the river as per usual, and the turn was returned & dealt, so that the river card was not changed as well.

It would be good to get a ruling on this.


Yeah, I've heard a few conflicting reports too. At one game the turn was done before the betting round was complete, it was placed back inside the deck, shuffled, and dealt again. I can't remember whether the river was done first or not.

But yeah, would be good to get a ruling.
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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby Scotty » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:39 pm

AceLosesKing wrote:
Bacon wrote:There is usually conflicting viewpoints on what to do if a card on the board is dealt out of sequence.

On the flop, I'm never sure.

Once, the turn was done out of sequence, and James made us play the river as per usual, and the turn was returned & dealt, so that the river card was not changed as well.

It would be good to get a ruling on this.


Yeah, I've heard a few conflicting reports too. At one game the turn was done before the betting round was complete, it was placed back inside the deck, shuffled, and dealt again. I can't remember whether the river was done first or not.

But yeah, would be good to get a ruling.


That's what I did last time it occurred - dealt fifth street with one player still to act.

Put it back in the remaining deck, shuffled, and dealt ... the same card :lol:

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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby muzzington » Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:56 pm

It gave a guy trips too.
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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby Garth Kay » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:22 pm

Hi Guys,
If a flop is presented incorrectly, all cards but the burn card are placed back into the deck and reshuffled, a new flop is presented.

In the case of a turn card, the burn card is kept out, the river card is then presented as the turn card (4/5 th's of the board remain as true!) and then a new river card is presented after the exposed turn card is placed back in the stub and reshuffled.

Hope that clears it up for you.
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Re: AQ vs A2

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Tue Jun 24, 2008 2:51 pm

going all in pre-flop with ace, queen, u deserve to lose imo
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