10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

[muzzington]

Yeah, that's unfortunate, he'd almost always get the money there.

[bennymacca]

i am never folding there, but i have been trying to work out if it is possible for me to flat call there.

with only 3 bucks behind, i am pretty much always shipping it in, but what do you guys think is the correct play if we are both 200bb deep? should i always me re-raising/shipping for value here? if i had 20 behind instead of 10, would i ever want to flat here?

against that sort of opponent, i still think i am trying to get it all in any day of the week, but im interested as to what you guys think.

[Scotty]

I don't think a flat is out of the question at the end.

Just because he has a high VP, doesn't automatically mean he is as loose post flop. And the sample size is tiny, anyway.

[bennymacca]

with only 3 bucks behind, i dont think i have ever flat called in that spot though. leak maybe, but i just can't do it.

even deeper, i still cant see myself flatting here. K6 is literally the only hand that beats me that plays in that way.

KK is raising pre, and 88 is re-raising flop and/or turn. at a stretch, 86 might come along as well, but i very much doubt it. so K6 is pretty much it that beats me.

things that i beat are all flushes, 76, Kx missed flush draw, etc.

[bennymacca]

dave, how easy is it to make a hand converter? i think it makes reading the hand discussion threads much easier, and allows for more discussion.

can you steal one from another site easily?

[Scotty]

I agree, K6 is really the only likely candidate here. Although (and I know I said it's a tiny sample size), 88 can't really be ruled out - PFR of 7, so limping/flat calling your flop bet isn't as stupid as it sounds. On a flop like that, I can see both 2 pair AND mid set flatting behind you.

If the turn's a brick, then you might see the raise over your open, but the heart slows the action down.

Having said that, I do find it hard to see myself not going for value at the end. 3 bet and hope to see A6 roll over

[trishan]

I think he has a flush or 3 of a kind (6s), maybe 2 pair at best. I am pushing everyday of the week.

If he played K6 that'd be sick.

Sick - very very sick.

[Bob B]

Given the amount of time we have to make a decision on most frerolls I believe 99% of us would have done the same thing.

So many radical players on the net does'nt really give a true indication of good play bad play scenarios.

You got your money in on what you thought was the best hand and with the reraise it smelt like he was trying to push you off the pot.

I say it was a good call benny the cunt and you were just unlucky this time. Next time who knows?

[bennymacca]

You got your money in on what you thought was the best hand and with the reraise it smelt like he was trying to push you off the pot.

this is wrong imho. he was definitely not raising here to push me off the pot, he was raising for value. you dont min raise someone on the river to scare them away, i was never folding there.

it was for pure value. the key thing is that he is raising all of his made flushes for value, and also a lot of trip 6 type hands, as well as any full houses that he has made. so i am ahead of most of his range on the river, hence whey i shoved over the top.

except for the craziest (and worst) players, noone is ever min-raising that river as a bluff.

[trishan]

except for the craziest (and worst) players, noone is ever min-raising that river as a bluff.

Interesting though benny the cunt: a few hands after this, he could just as easily bluff with a min raise because you will probably think it's a value bet and fold.