50NL HU, Kings, Horrible Flop Facing Action

[muzzington]

I would have said 9 10 of spades because it's the most awesome hand ever, but that's impossible.

AQ or QQ's?

[bennymacca]

An agro player will lead at that flop with his entire 3 bet range. He is not checking any made straights or sets here. He leads the action and hopes he induces a shove.

this. if you 3bet, you cbet. every single time. and i mean every time.

Ship it in and pray for a queen!

LOL.

can i get a hell yeah!!!!!


well, since i am a spew monkey, i shoved.

of course villain snap calls with TT.

but finally i get some run-good at heads up and i turn the Q, BOOOOM GTFO

i thought this was a really interesting hand, especially after he leads on the flop. i HATED raising, calling or folding. they all suck. raising sucks the least though.

[Garth Kay]

It was probably the trickiest spot that has ever been posted on this forum.

So fold was the correct decision as you only have 26% equity at this stage, or thereabouts.

At least I got that right. I was honestly thinking top set or QJ in that spot. he really did want you to spew there and has you read well.

I would take notes on this player and keep records. Tricky player - bet sizing to induce spew.

[trishan]

I think the best option here was to reraise the flop bet to ~$15-18. If he calls/raises you're in trouble so fold any turn card that doesn't improve your hand. If you flat to see a turn that doesn't help you and he raises the turn again as he is likely to do with a bluff/made hand then you still have no idea where you are at. If hes on a draw and calls your reraise, he'll most likely check a brick turn and you'll get a free card.

[Garth Kay]

I think the best option here was to reraise the flop bet to ~$15-18. If he calls/raises you're in trouble so fold any turn card that doesn't improve your hand. If you flat to see a turn that doesn't help you and he raises the turn again as he is likely to do with a bluff/made hand then you still have no idea where you are at. If hes on a draw and calls your reraise, he'll most likely check a brick turn and you'll get a free card.

If he's on the draw do you want to ship it in on the flop or turn? If he re raises your flop raise and you flat what is the point of that? You've basically priced yourself in on later streets.

Any action on that flop is messy. After villain re raises you it's either ship it in or fold. No flatting in that spot.

[trishan]

I think the best option here was to reraise the flop bet to ~$15-18. If he calls/raises you're in trouble so fold any turn card that doesn't improve your hand. If you flat to see a turn that doesn't help you and he raises the turn again as he is likely to do with a bluff/made hand then you still have no idea where you are at. If hes on a draw and calls your reraise, he'll most likely check a brick turn and you'll get a free card.

If he's on the draw do you want to ship it in on the flop or turn? If he re raises your flop raise and you flat what is the point of that? You've basically priced yourself in on later streets.

Any action on that flop is messy. After villain re raises you it's either ship it in or fold. No flatting in that spot.

If he is on the draw we would expect a check on the turn to any card that is a brick. Then we ship it (or bet enough that the money is going on the river regardless of the actual river card). If he raises a brick turn (after flatting our reraise) we are done with the hand. If he reraises our reraise on the flop then we are done even though we are ahead of a draw (and this is where there can be a difference of opinion but flatting a re-reraise is silly. It's push/fold)

[bennymacca]

If he is on the draw we would expect a check on the turn to any card that is a brick. Then we ship it (or bet enough that the money is going on the river regardless of the actual river card). If he raises a brick turn (after flatting our reraise) we are done with the hand. If he reraises our reraise on the flop then we are done even though we are ahead of a draw (and this is where there can be a difference of opinion but flatting a re-reraise is silly. It's push/fold)

but then you are letting him play his draw perfectly.

[trishan]

A reraise to $18 gives him pot odds of 2.5-1. Let's say he is on a draw and hasn't got you crushed. QQ or 88 both well within his range means 8 outs for the OESD plus 3 outs for a set. So 11 outs he is a 3.27-1 dog to make his hand on the turn so he should fold. With implied odds a call isn't terrible. On a brick turn though you must either bet enough that he still isn't getting odds and at the same time bet enough so that u are commited to any river. Or ship the turn.

[bennymacca]

sorry, i thought u meant flat his re-raise

[bennymacca]

A reraise to $18 gives him pot odds of 2.5-1. Let's say he is on a draw and hasn't got you crushed. QQ or 88 both well within his range means 8 outs for the OESD plus 3 outs for a set. So 11 outs he is a 3.27-1 dog to make his hand on the turn so he should fold. With implied odds a call isn't terrible. On a brick turn though you must either bet enough that he still isn't getting odds and at the same time bet enough so that u are commited to any river. Or ship the turn.

if we go to 18 on the flop, and he calls, then pot is 46, and we have 37 left. so we are shipping pretty much any turn card.

pretty much any raise commits us to the hand from there on.

villain's min raise is prolly the scariest thing he can do. i hated it so much, it was a good play. but i just couldn't lay it down. so well played him.