Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby rcon » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:40 pm

Online I'd completely agree with you about a call/re-eval, but I think we need to be showing some strength if we want to get it in on a blank turn in this turbo structure?
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby Garth Kay » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:43 pm

rcon wrote:Online I'd completely agree with you about a call/re-eval, but I think we need to be showing some strength if we want to get it in on a blank turn in this turbo structure?


Negative, why stack off in this spot when we know we are going to get called, there is no fold equity in this hand against this opponent.

It's a flat call and re evaluate turn.
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:45 pm

question: is it easier to take it away from him on the turn than it is on the flop?

how many scare cards are there that dont hit his range?
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby rcon » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:04 pm

Garth Kay wrote:no fold equity in this hand against this opponent.
really? We flat PF in position, we get a flop that smacks of our range and we don't have any FE against a weak C bettor who is not committed to this pot?
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby Garth Kay » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:06 pm

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Garth Kay wrote:no fold equity in this hand against this opponent.
really? We flat PF in position, we get a flop that smacks of our range and we don't have any FE against a weak C bettor who is not committed to this pot?


Correct, because we know opponent will call with entire range.
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby rcon » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:07 pm

fair call - I guess that is why I often go broke in these situations. I rely far too much on FE sometimes :D
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby maccatak11 » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:12 pm

I overestimate FE all the time, especially online. It would be very rare for somebody in a pub poker game to put 3600 into a pot and then fold on what looks like a pretty safe board for villains range (even over cards arent really scared much here i dont think).

I think you gotta call benny the cunt and reevaluate on turn.
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby pundies » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:49 pm

bennymacca wrote:effective stacks are about 13k (mine), blinds are 300/600. guy comes to the table with about 20k. plays a few hands, i had never played with him before but my read was that he was very aggressive just from the couple of hands that i saw.

he opens for 2400 in mid position

i look down at [js] [ts] on the button, and i decide to call.

flop comes down [6c] [7h] [9d]

he rather weakly leads for 1200 into the 5700 pot.

what cards do you put him on here, and what do you think the correct play is?


In this situation in a pub poker game I would flat call, see the turn and then consider my options.

I wouldn't get all my $$ on this flop. I am 100% sure he has me beat at this stage & I am almost just as sure if I jam, he is calling.

I don't think I would have called the raise pre with J 10 suited at that stage of the night, but that is just me, most of you I am sure make the call :)
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jul 06, 2010 5:52 pm

pundies wrote:I don't think I would have called the raise pre with J 10 suited at that stage of the night, but that is just me, most of you I am sure make the call


the reason i made the call is because he had shown aggression numerous times so far.

i felt that we were deep enough, which is rare in an 888pl game, that we could play some post flop poker.

immediately his bet on the flop made me think AK/AQ. so he had missed, and i thought i could take it away on a later street. on the flop, i couldn't really raise without shoving, which is a bit of an overbet. stack sizes were a bit awkward, so i elected to call.


so i ended up calling, and i binked the 8 on the turn to give me the nuts. he checked, i tanked to make it look bluffy, then i led out for 3500, and he stacked off with AK no draw. so he spazzed a bit. afterwards he gave the whole "pfft JT blah blah blah" but i thought i played it ok.
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Re: Interesting Spot at the Louie Last night

Postby muzzington » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:06 pm

Really? He questioned you calling with [js] [ts] on the button?

Just because you have AK doesn't give you a right to the pot.
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