Go for the chips, or limp into cash?

[rcon]

lol, I'm not endorsing the play, but you do see it a lot, particularly at this sort of level.

[bennymacca]

Garth/benny the cunt - what do you think of the range I stove above? I gave the All-in a pretty wide range but is it not wide enough? I gave the guy who flats a pretty tight range - too tight?

I also messed up the EV calcs because there is a sidepot.

i think you can get rid of some of the low quited kings and queens. maybe Q9s and K9s would shove, but i doubt Q6 would.

with the first flatter, i think you can probably drop 66-88 and ATo as well, if this player was aggressive. if they were passive, then leave them in there. if it was me, i would be shoving that whole range bar the very top of it (JJ-AA, AK), because i dont really want to play AQ or 88 multiway, but i definitely wanna race the short stack with these types of hands.

can you re-run that?

and how many times do you see someone limp UTG with AA or KK at this stage of a tourney, waiting for the push so they can double up?

I have no respect for this limp fwiw.

this, if they limp aces there, then good on them, i never do it, and i pay them off if they do. (how about that for a read 1 week out from the GF LOL)

because of that limp though, it makes the range of the caller to the first all in pretty strong.

[rcon]

because of that limp though, it makes the range of the caller to the first all in pretty strong.

exactly this - if it wasn't for this limp, I think the TT of Bacon's might be going in, but you're potentially playing TT 4 way, EWWWWW!

[trishan]

Let me have another go at EV calcs lol:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.533% 48.76% 00.77% 435840864 6894450.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 50.467% 49.70% 00.77% 444192924 6894450.00 { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }

EV = Pr(Calls) * EV(Calls) + Pr(Folds) * EV(Folds)

EV(Call) = Main Pot Equity(Call) * Main Pot - 8622 + Side Pot Equity * Side Pot - 14902
= .35 * 26866 - 8622 + .50* 29804 - 14902
= 781 + 0
= 781

EV(Folds) = .5 * 26866 - 8622
= 4811

It is pretty marginal. If your equity on the sidepot drops below 47% then EV(Call) becomes negative. For example if you assign the range below then you EV(Call) is negative:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.533% 48.76% 00.77% 435840864 6894450.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 50.467% 49.70% 00.77% 444192924 6894450.00 { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }

[trishan]

benny the cunt I have been playing around with the ranges you mentioned but on average we have 35% equity on the main pot. We have anywhere between 47% and 56% equity on the sidepot. This is all assuming the UTG folds. If we include him in EV calcs - it can get very nasty because we have two more variables to add:

Pr(UTG calls & SB folds)
Pr(UTG calls & SB calls)
Pr(UTG folds & SB folds)
Pr(UTG folds & SB calls)

[bennymacca]

It is pretty marginal. If your equity on the sidepot drops below 47% then EV(Call) becomes negative. For example if you assign the range below then you EV(Call) is negative:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.533% 48.76% 00.77% 435840864 6894450.00 { TT }
Hand 1: 50.467% 49.70% 00.77% 444192924 6894450.00 { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }

interesting

so its pretty much a flip whichever way you look at it.

if you like to gambool, then shove, if you are a pussy, then fold.

[trishan]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

51,202,782 games 178.547 secs 286,774 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.273% 24.00% 01.27% 12290568 649824.33 { TT }
Hand 1: 28.173% 26.02% 02.15% 13324749 1100913.75 { 99+, ATs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 28.170% 26.02% 02.15% 13323594 1100309.42 { 99+, ATs+, AJo+ }
Hand 3: 18.384% 17.30% 01.09% 8857547 555711.25 { 55+, A6s+, K7s+, QTs+, Q7s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


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[maccatak11]

Same tourney. Bacon was bubblebubble, i ended up bubble. (dont have the HH handy, so ill post from memory)

4 players left and we are on the cash bubble.

Me (button) 16k.
Villain (BB) 40k.
Both other stacks approx 20k.



Blinds 500/1000.

Dealt to me [qd][jd]

Folded to Me, I raises to 4k.

BB calls. (pot 8500)

Flop [9c][ts][x]



BB bets 3500.



Me???

[Garth Kay]

Jam it in there!

What are you waiting for?

[Des]

What are you waiting for?

The Large Hadron Collider to work.