10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

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Re: 10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:51 pm

AJG wrote:One question I have though, if you put him on a flush on the river, did you also put him on same on the turn? If so, why lead out there?


on the turn, i wasn't sure that he had hit the flush - pretty much every random king, 8, etc is coming along on the flop, as well as flush draws. there is no way i would shut down on that turn just because the flush card hit, my set still has too much value. if i got raised on the turn i would re-evaluate, but i didn't see any reason not to bet for value.

when he flat called, i narrowed his range down to slow played made flushes and Kx type hands.

on the river when i got min raised, i was sure at that stage he had a flush. well put this way, flushes, full houses and maybe trip 6s are min raising in that spot, and nearly all of that range is made up of flushes. i didn't even think about K6 to be honest. and well if he played 88 or KK like that, well i am paying him off quite happily.

his K6 was off suit as well

what would your line be on the turn?
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Re: 10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

Postby AJG » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:30 pm

On the turn, pretty much the same as yours... I noted that you didnt bet quite as hard on the turn as the flop.
Maybe multitabling I might have chk-called, only because you dont have as much time to think, and immediately seeing a 3rd heart might get me thinkin about the flush. But you potted the flop and he called, so I would doubt he was purely on a flush draw, as in if he did have a flush then he had the Kh...

Using pokerstove I worked out that K6o is just in the top 46% of hands... so given his stats, is in his range... Not that I am trying to say you could read him on that, just thought it of interest...

Had you considered some different play like a chk-raise turn?
6handed I dont think you have to be too concered with bigger sets, and as I said above about the only way HE made a flush was if he had KhXh, or is a maniac chaser to call potsize (unless its on 888 :lol:)
So maybe the another option was to rep the flush yourself, with your set to back it up if he called? Just goin through different scenarios...
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Re: 10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:39 pm

AJG wrote:Had you considered some different play like a chk-raise turn?


check raising is HORRIBLE in that spot. villain is passive, so is likely to check behind with most of his range.

even against good tag opponents, i hate the check raise on the turn, when the flush card hits.

with pretty much anything but a made flush or a higher set, the other player is checking behind on that turn.

nothing worse than seeing a heart peel the river and having to fold or at least have your action killed, as no hands you beat would bet into that.

i just try and value bet the crap out of every hand i get.
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Re: 10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

Postby AJG » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:34 pm

Fair enough... was only mentioned villain was passive preflop. Nothing about postflop tendencies...

And its not an auto check behind on that turn, you lead on the flop, which most ppl wouldnt interpret as purely a draw, as I said before if you had a flush you would probably have the Kh to, to lead that flop. Or they could try to rep the flush themselves and a chk-raise when the flush card hits is pretty hard to call without the nut flush... (depending on the player and how much you raise)

Horrible is just an opinion... It has actually worked for me before, and I think it was because opponent interpreted my chk as being scared of the flush and tried to bluff it, and did indeed fold to my raise... flip side it has also backfired, but nothin works every time.
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Re: 10NL facing river min raise with baby full house

Postby bennymacca » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:01 pm

in the long run though, you dont make money from people bluffing into you, you make money from people having a good hand but not as good as you
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