How do people play and win like this?

[AJG]

@Brett: I am reversing the hand and being realistic. Commiting 10% of my stack preflop with 66, even HU, isnt a instacall to me. I didnt make the OP as a joke and did think about it, thats why I made OP...

I am not joking, offering advice on how to judge the hand. If the board came down A 7 Q and you bet he probably would have folded. As it came down, he either read you like god, or he had no fear.

At those levels committing 10% of your stack with a pair is standard, These are turbo's. I do loose calls because you can set mine or flush, not to mention continue bet a lot of people and pick up the pot that way.

Obviously everyone has a different way of thinking and playing the game, some people will be loose which is overall a losing strategy, but some make it work for them by believing they can outplay on the flop ( a lot of well known pros, Hansen, AndyMcleod, Lee Nelson).

Didnt mean you were joking, it was just a way I was saying that i did exactly what you said, reverse and consider.... Thats was WHY i made the post...

[bennymacca]

The stats I posted can hardly tell you anything like this. i included nothing that was positionally based.

you glean a lot more than what you think

you are playing 30% of hands. this is generally waay too much. which means you are limping too much

you are only raising 10%. this is not enough if you are playing 30% of hands.

so yes, you can get general positional information from just those stats.

But honestly to say that it can ONLY help is a tall order. Depending on personal style some advice can be counter productive.

if you choose to ignore advice from someone that is most definitely better than yourself (and myself) then thats your perogative. but what's to say that your style isn't rubbish? who says that you shouldn't change your style?

Given that, i dont even take poker tips or strategy written by Millionaire Pros as gospel, I am not going to with anyone on this forum, best player or not. As I have said here and in other scattered posts, I DO take onboard what people say, but that doesnt mean I have to agree with it or keep it for life. My goal is to incorporate things that enhance and develop my own style. Some of the things posted on these forums has donw that, some have not

definitely. but pro books don't converse with you about poker. as i have said before, i think advice from peers that are better than you is much more valuable than advice in a book. this is why i try to converse with garth, aaron, scott, and others as much as possible.

[Garth Kay]

I have no idea how to respond to these comments.

benny the cunt and AK thanks for the kind words.

AJG,

I understand that you seek feedback and wish to take on board any information supplied, but I am not sure if your comments are derogatory in any way or if you're being snide or if you genuinely mean it.

But the fact remains we, and especially myself, offer advice and you can do with it what you will, but the only reason I am on this forum after hours is because I do like to help a small minority with poker and discussing hands and educating helps. I am by no means a poker god, but I have a greater understanding of poker and all involved in it than most, if not all, on this forum.

And even though there are very few contributors to this forum there are actually quite a few lurkers who enjoy these discussion and learn from them. The players that I have seen benny the cunt and AK develop into in the last two years is astounding and that is primarily from their hunger to learn, adapt their play and to take on board what those who are "superior" to them have to say, and not just take it on board but to utilise it in their game.

I actually coach several players in poker, and am paid anywhere from $50 to $100 per hour. So what I am saying is I am paid to teach players about poker and I currently have 6 clients that I speak to for two hours each week at a minimum. I ended up with these six clients because I did a corporate event where a department of a company (Mirvac) wished to have a poker night and actually be educated on the finer basic details of poker as they were all looking to improve their game. I did such a great job on that night that I was asked by the GM to take on private tuition. I have since had him refer me to 8 other clients and I still work with GM to this day sporadically.

Noone knows about this side project and I decided to voice it here because it lends creedence to the advice I offer.

These players have turned around from players that have lost thousands on poker in a short term time frame to all making four figure profits per month from playing part time. So obviously what I have to say does have an impact on a players profitability as well as their game.

And even though I may be way off with several of the things that I stated about your game, all of that information is based on what you have posted and how you write. If I can gleam that much information from the very little supplied the fact I got some right lends a lot to my credibility when I can get some of you poker style down.

In all honesty AJG, I have no problems with you questioning anything I say, but be careful in the manner you do it, because it could come across insulting or demeaning. And if we do offer advice don't throw it back at us, question, discuss, elaborate but don't say I am not taking that on board. To be quite honest your last post has almost deterred me from responding to your discussion threads but I think if we do continue to discuss hands it can only help other players who want to listen and take on board the advice offered.

[Garth Kay]

Obviously I eventually found a way to reply!

[AJG]

I am never (delibertely) derogitory Garth, nor do I make snide comments.

i simply meant, literally, that I read, take on board, anything said here, some of it i incorporaate, some of it I dont.

i took benny the cunt as trying to say your word was Gospel, and was merely saying that no-ones word is such... Both he and AK, basically said, I should immediately implement anything you say.

As for being careful in the manner in which I question you, I rarely have except in my head? And when I have it has been for further info...
My God, if I have come across as demeaning to you Garth, perhaps you should read some post directed at me! They arent merely implying demeaning thoughts, but saying them directly, calling me various names or saying i am an idiot for thinking the way I do etc...
I do not mean to come accross as demeanin or belittling or in any negative way in any of my posts.

Infact, I am considering ceasing to post entirely....

[BigPete33]

If you are going to continue to choose to take comments as personally directed at you, when they are quite clealy NOT personally directed at you, then I would recommend that you DO have a break.


"I don't agree" does not = "You are stupid."

"That is ridiculous" does not = "You are ridiculous"

Not mentioning your name does not = "AJG did it".


Everyone is perfectly entitled to have their own opinion and voice that opinion, could not agree more. Assuming that an idea or a thought that has been labelled as silly, ridiculous, or even stupid DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE ARE CALLING YOU SILLY, RIDICULOUS, OR STUPID.

It merely means that is what they think of that particular thing, and yes they could have probably worded it better and I would encourage them to do so, self included.

Thread locked before this one gets any sillier as well.


That's the thread getting silly, not the people who posted in it - just so you all know!

[Garth Kay]

AJG,

I was just unsure of your tone in the comments you made, sorry if you took my comments as offensive.

Discussion is fine and there probably has been too much back and forth rather than constructive discussion, but the point I am trying to make is that no advice should be discounted, not if anyone is willing to stop and offer advice.

If you don't like what I have to say or don't want to implement or at least trial advice offered by a seasoned, winning player then that's fine. That is your perogative, but don't tell me that you may not choose to implement it, otherwise I am really wasting my time.

If you seek to discuss and evolve as a poker player then at times you will have to step out of your comfort zones and actually try something that you normally wouldn't, see if it works for you.

And in closing yes we all want to be profitable poker players, that's a good thing, now if you are profitable are you achieving maximum profit? If not perhaps you have a few leaks or areas you can improve on. The biggest enemy of the poker player is self awareness and self analysis, not many people are extremely profecient at these skills, and when you are trying to improve your poker game then the last person you should be asking is yourself.