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What do you do?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:40 pm
by AceLosesKing
FT of a 20m sng on 888. Final 9, top 5 cash.
Blinds 100/200, I have 2.7k. The average is 3k.
UTG+1 jams all in for 1800. This is the first hand I've seen him play. Folds to a player in MP, who snaps all in for 880. MP player has also been folding down (waiting for a hand). Folds to me in the SB, I have Jacks.
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Re: What do you do?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:49 pm
by bennymacca
with no reads, i think its an easy fold
highly likely u are up against an overpair, or that all overcards are covered by them
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:02 am
by bennymacca
let me qualify that by saying its an easy fold looking at it now, not in the heat of the situation
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:02 am
by Brett Kay
fold.
Better spots to get your money in. Also if 1800 all in, knocks out shorty. At least you still have more chips
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:52 am
by AJG
Yep, I folded JJ tonight on the same table as Brett, although the allin had me covered...
I don;t know if people beleived me when I said I folded JJ but for those who saw the hand, here's proof:
#Game No : 57363602
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 57363602 *****
$100/$200 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 25 06 2009 23:50:22
Tournament #23752493 $3 + $0.30 - Table #3 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: .pKoIkNeGr. ( $4,885 )
Seat 2: jeri58au ( $3,753 )
Seat 3: Kodakai ( $8,345 )
Seat 4: hutchy027 ( $1,920 )
Seat 6: hapot ( $7,475 )
Seat 8: 1stonechip ( $1,895 )
Kodakai posts small blind [$100]
hutchy027 posts big blind [$200]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to .pKoIkNeGr. [ Jc, Jh ]
hapot raises [$700]
1stonechip folds
.pKoIkNeGr. raises [$1,200]
jeri58au folds
Kodakai folds
hutchy027 raises [$1,720]
hapot raises [$6,775]
.pKoIkNeGr. folds
** Dealing flop ** [ 7h, 2s, Ad ]
** Dealing turn ** [ 2d ]
** Dealing river ** [ 3h ]
** Summary **
hutchy027 shows [ Jd, As ]
hapot shows [ Kh, 5h ]
hutchy027 collected [ $5,140 ]
Notwithstanding me editing the handhistory, but I wouldnt lie here...
Personally I think AJ is marginal to 2 rtaises in front, but she short-stacked so understandable play.
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:06 am
by bennymacca
AJG, i am interested in your thoughts as to why you min raised?
when raising you always should have a reason.
just interested. ill post thoughts after u reply
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:35 am
by Brett Kay
Seat 3: Kodakai ( $8,345 )
This guy took it down. LOL. A fine effort of poker. Eventually. LOL.
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:10 pm
by Garth Kay
Snap all in.
Just coz I'm bored!
Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:08 pm
by AJG
bennymacca wrote:AJG, I am interested in your thoughts as to why you min raised?
when raising you always should have a reason.
just interested. ill post thoughts after u reply
Sometimes, my 'bet amount' textbox wont accept input, and I didnt want to just flat call here, so I either had to flat call, minraise or allin to beat the clock. I wanted to reraise to get HU with initial raiser. I wouldnt push with JJ and the M I had, unless there were only 2 left live in the hand and I thought opponent would fold. Didnt really expect the BB to call or push over the top with the action before them (even with the SS).
Also, while I dont like minraises when u are the first raiser, I dont think they so bad for a reraise.
Well done Kodakai! U took me out with my pocket 3s on the SS, glad you made good use of my chips!

Re: What do you do?
Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:34 pm
by bennymacca
i just think in that case, a min raise just invites a shove over the top by the out of position player. lets say i had a decent but good hand, like AQ, 1010, 99, even AJ.
i would be opening with most of these hands.
with your min raise, there is no way in hell i am flat calling out of position with these sorts of hands. i am either shoving or i am folding.
so really, you are losing value from hands that you beat - either they shove and u have to fold, or they fold anyway. i would suspect that most hands that flat call here are beating you.
so i would either make a bigger raise or flat call and re-evaluate the flop in position