You're a Bunch of Factors

It seems the hand history isnt saved for the PLO events???? Why is that? Even the ring game PLO has no HH files, only noticed that when I looked for this game. Why is that? Anybody know?

Anyway, this is the hand as best I can remember it.
Saturday freeroll
blinds 15/30 - 7 at the table.
Dealt 55JAds on the button.
a few limpers, then a minraise, I call and so do all the limpers except for 1. 5 saw a flop from memory.

Flop 599 (Pot ~300)

A bet of 60, few callers few folds (calls > folds), I raise to about 350 (bit more than the flop pot anyway).
Get 2 callers.

Turn: cant remember rank, but put a possible flush out.
checked to me, I shove (pot is now slightly more than my stack), got 1 caller.

caller show K9xx: On the turn he had trip 9s, so even though I not remember all the cards, the turn didnt pair any of his cards, or give him the flush.

river: K

Goodbye!

Being new to PLO, especially tounament PLO, what are thoughts on how I played this hand.
Sorry I cant provide full information about cards, but as I said, no HH file, and it was a while before I decided to post for advice.

I am slightly ahead playing ring PLO, but cant seem to make any headway in PLO tournaments. I suppose its similar to the difference in strategy from ring NLHE to a tournament. Any advice regarding this also? Ring v Tournament PLO

Cheers

Under full houses are always going to be difficult to play. Best way is to build the pot on the river or turn, rather than shove and hope you hold through 2 more betting rounds.

Best way to play them is try to risk around 25-40% of your stack, rather than trying to get it all in unless you know it is the nuts.

It is easier to play unpaired boards, mainly because the nuts end up being straight, flush and they are easier to work. Paired boards lead to full house, vs full house vs quads. Hard to work out who might have the nuts.

Live and learn, but calls on paired boards are always going to be flagging strong hands, e.g. Trips, over pair, full house.

I basically shoved on the turn, cos as the pot was already so big, any meaningful bet was going to commit me on the river anyway, and in that specific hand when the K fell on the river, I couldnt exactly put him on 9s full of Ks? I figured he must have a 9 to call the flop raise.

So basically you are saying that 'under' FHs are similar to the low end of a straight in Holdem... to much of a chance someone has a bigger FH?

Did I raise too much on the flop?
Was a raise good play?
I cant imagine flat calling to be sensible, but maybe in PLO it is?

Which leads me to another question.
Bet/raise size principles in PLO? Is it basically the same as NLHE or do you not bet so much. (ie its ridiculous to min bet a 15BB pot in NLHE, mostly ppl would bet 1/2 - 2/3 pot).

[I am slooowly making my way through the 2+2 PLO forums, but there is a heck of a lot there, and most threads are very hand specific, so its hard to generalize from them]

If you have a full house, you want people to commit money with their draws and their sets or trips.

Betting too strong on the flop means you have boosted the pot, and got rid of the extra value, good in holdem, bad in omaha. You want their draws to hit and get paid off on it.

Calling the flop is good, extra bets in there. 1/2 pot turn, to see who else is in the hand, if you feel confident check/raise or bet the river, if the reraise is there, look at what you think they have from the turn bet. Obviously trying to narrow hand ranges is difficult, but knowing they would call trips on the flop, means that if they reraise you or push on later streets, full house is possible. Hence the risking of 25-40% of your stack, you still have chips to outplay them later.

I dont think you should expell to much energy overthinking this hand mate.

I was the bloke that called you and as i said to you in the chat box i wasnt proud of it.

But look at it from my point of veiw, this is only my second or maybe 3rd go at PLO in any real detail, i still really dont know what im doing and so i am using these free roll games to try to learn the ropes abit, i admit that it wasnt a great call but it wasnt a great big chunk of my stack ( might have been 1/4) , and i was really having a hard time putting you on a hand as there was no flush or straight draws out there and i think my no limit holdem hat was on and refused to belive that you had anything other than a 9.

So i say again dont think about this one too much, you got your money in good and the river burnt you, but i will say one thing i have learnt is that i dont think its a good idea going all in PLO untill the river unless you have the absolute nuts as there is just so many hands that pop up to beat you

Not overthing it Krunchie, and I know it was you who called

I to am trying to learn PLO... do OK in 6max ring games, but not so well in the tourneys.
Thats why I posted it, just trying to learn from it...

And I didnt mean to imply your call was bad... Actually as I remember it it was most of your stack, like 85%+, but I could be wrong. And the turn put out a flush I thought (again i could be wrong, but I seem to remember thinking I dont have to worry about the flush?)

only my 4th PLO tourney to!

And your comment about no allin until the river...
One thing Ive learnt is: The nuts on the flop may no longer be the nuts on the turn, which may no longer be the nuts on the river...
Unless you flop a straight flush or Aces full of Kings, u can never (rarely) be sure u have the nut hand UNTIlL the river...

I have found the 2+2 forums PLO sections great, but there is SO much there... U might wanna check it out to.

AJG wrote:Unless you flop a straight flush or Aces full of Kings, u can never (rarely) be sure u have the nut hand UNTIlL the river...

Cough cough.... Lost to a royal thanks very much. Cough cough

Brett Kay wrote:

AJG wrote:Unless you flop a straight flush or Aces full of Kings, u can never (rarely) be sure u have the nut hand UNTIlL the river...

Cough cough.... Lost to a royal thanks very much. Cough cough

What did u have?

aces full of kings

Aces lose to Kings, remember.