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What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:51 pm
by Bacon
Bit of history, I'd gone from $10 to $16 in 3 hands... This was about hand 30 in my session. I had been able to raise pre, and take some hands, but I thought I'd limp UTG here, to hopefully get a LP raise (woot!)

***** Cassava Hand History for Game 86322311 *****
$0.05/$0.10 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 30 07 2009 19:11:12
Table Guanare (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Bacon8100 ( $15.74 )
Seat 4: knarze ( $17.53 )
Seat 5: Drobec37 ( $9.79 )
Seat 7: scubanutt09 ( $6.50 )
Seat 8: Questi88 ( $8.67 )
Seat 9: mecaso79 ( $10.73 )
Questi88 posts small blind [$0.05]
mecaso79 posts big blind [$0.10]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Bacon8100 [ Jd Jc ]
Bacon8100 calls [$0.10]
knarze calls [$0.10]
Drobec37 folds
scubanutt09 raises [$0.60]
Questi88 folds
mecaso79 calls [$0.50]
Bacon8100 calls [$0.50]
knarze calls [$0.50]
** Dealing flop ** [ Ts 9h 5s ]
mecaso79 checks
Bacon8100 bets [$1.70]
knarze calls [$1.70]
scubanutt09 raises [$5.90]
mecaso79 calls [$5.90]

Bacon??

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:56 pm
by Scotty
Any info at all on Scuba and Meca?

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:04 pm
by Bacon
I'd seen mecca limp pre with KK OTB, but hadn't really played many with scuba (only recently joined).

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:21 pm
by trishan
There are many ways to play Jacks, all of which are wrong. Limping isn't a great idea. This is a pretty tough spot given you could well be up against a set. Rule out flush draws. I'd say at least one of them has a set or p-pair better than yours.

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:09 pm
by AceLosesKing
Folding.

Without opening the action preflop (and getting 3b) or limp/raising UTG preflop (and getting 5b shoved) you have no strong indication (as we normally do here) that we're facing a higher pair.

As it is vs two opponents on this highly coordinated flop, I fold here pretty easily. The best spot you could be in is if they both hold Tx - and are they playing it this way?

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:24 pm
by AJG
As ALK (I think) meant, if you limp utg with JJ, your plan should be to 3bet it facing a raise. That will get rid of (hopefully) the drawing hands that can connect with this flop, and if you get called you can be confident of an overpair, or possible AK if its a loose player who calls, but I would expect a reshove from a loose player rather than a flat to your 3bet with AK, dont want difficult postflop decisions with so much in pre and AK.

But as the hand played out. Fold.
Up against a set imo.

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:44 pm
by Bacon
So, you think the re-raise on the flop has the set, or the subsequent caller?

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:07 pm
by maccatak11
A9 of spades is a possibility for Meca, but Scuba has aces, kings or TT here i think. Fold.

A9 spades or AT is the only hands you are beating. Maybe QJ of spades, but your almost behind that hand anyway. Foldy fold fold.

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:13 pm
by Bacon
One hand

Spoiler:
scubanutt09 shows [ Th Ac ]


Yes, I'm being results orientated.

Re: What are you doing with this overpair?

Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:40 pm
by AceLosesKing
Yes, you are.