Truckload of outs on the turn

[bennymacca]

villain has stacked off with just about anything - chases gutshots etc.

#Game No : 226287362
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 226287362 *****
$300/$600 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 11 08 2009 23:57:25
Tournament #24261235 Freeroll - Table #4 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: BIGGERACES48 ( $11,610 )
Seat 3: bennyjams ( $17,510 )
Seat 4: samthemuel ( $335 )
Seat 5: hypernet ( $3,005 )
Seat 6: crazysheano ( $14,905 )
Seat 7: V27805 ( $170 )
Seat 8: spiffybucks ( $1,040 )
Seat 9: baydonvic ( $275 )
Seat 10: belly_pig ( $6,723 )
BIGGERACES48 posts small blind [$300]
bennyjams posts big blind [$600]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bennyjams [ Ah 3h ]
samthemuel folds
hypernet calls [$600]
crazysheano folds
V27805 folds
spiffybucks folds
baydonvic folds
belly_pig folds
BIGGERACES48 calls [$300]
bennyjams checks
** Dealing flop ** [ 4h 8h 2c ]
BIGGERACES48 bets [$600]
bennyjams raises [$2,400]
hypernet folds
BIGGERACES48 calls [$1,800]
** Dealing turn ** [ Qd ]
BIGGERACES48 bets [$600]
bennyjams ???

[AJG]

Main question I have for you benny the cunt is, given your statement about villain, why raise that flop? (Not a pick, just curious)
It seems he is not likely to fold to a raise (based only on what you said of him), which I would think is the usual reason for raising here?
Wouldnt it be better to flat and see a cheap turn, then re-evaluate?

That said, to me, his min bets on the flop and turn tell me he is also on the flush draw, and trying to build the pot incase he hits. Well thats the most common reason I have seen this line taken on 888PL anyway. That or a monster, but that not seem likely here...
But whatever he really has, I would flat that turn, he obviously isnt going to fold to a second barrel raise from you (well, it doesnt seem likely), and hope that 888 comes through and gives you a lovely heart on the river:
i) If it doesnt you have lost as little as possible.
ii) if it does, you will more than likely stack HIM???

Or a 5... in which case you still might get some value from him if he actually did catch a piece of the board.

[Scotty]

Main question I have for you benny the cunt is, given your statement about villain, why raise that flop? (Not a pick, just curious)
It seems he is not likely to fold to a raise (based only on what you said of him), which I would think is the usual reason for raising here?
Wouldnt it be better to flat and see a cheap turn, then re-evaluate?

+1

[AceLosesKing]

What AJG said. He has an 8 here, I think.

Btw, when I opened up this topic benny the cunt I thought you were posting your Q8o hand we had on Stars

[bennymacca]

to be honest, i was raising the flop for value. i too put him on a flush draw or an 8, and i knew he wouldn't fold without at least seeing the turn. i wanted to be able to stack him if i hit the flush or straight.

what do you think about this range?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

140,580 games 0.016 secs 8,786,250 games/sec

Board: 4h 8h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.866% 54.83% 00.04% 77076 54.00 { Ah3h }
Hand 1: 45.134% 45.10% 00.04% 63396 54.00 { TT-22, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Qh2h, JhTh, Jh9h, Jh8h, Jh7h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Jh2h, Th9h, Th8h, T5s-T4s, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 8h5h, 8h4h, 8h3h, 8h2h, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 84o, 82o, 42o }

[Bacon]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

140,580 games 0.016 secs 8,786,250 games/sec

Board: 4h 8h 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.866% 54.83% 00.04% 77076 54.00 { Ah3h }
Hand 1: 45.134% 45.10% 00.04% 63396 54.00 { TT-22, KhQh, KhJh, KhTh, Kh9h, Kh8h, Kh7h, Kh6h, Kh5h, Kh4h, Kh3h, Kh2h, QhJh, QhTh, Qh9h, Qh8h, Qh7h, Qh6h, Qh5h, Qh4h, Qh3h, Qh2h, JhTh, Jh9h, Jh8h, Jh7h, Jh6h, Jh5h, Jh4h, Jh3h, Jh2h, Th9h, Th8h, T5s-T4s, 9h8h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 8h5h, 8h4h, 8h3h, 8h2h, A8o, K8o, Q8o, J8o, T8o, 98o, 84o, 82o, 42o }

Not realistic on that flop

[bennymacca]

true, poker stove doesn't count them though if they aren't realistic. i just put any 2 hearts cards. if i remove them it doesn't change the percentages, so pokerstove does the right thing with them