AA on K high flop - tough spot

[trishan]

Always hard to play AA post flop when you get 3 bet. No reads on the player as I had just sat down a few hands ago.

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PokerStars Game #33098153093: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2009/09/21 19:24:30 AEST [2009/09/21 5:24:30 ET]
Table 'Ara' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: JFD128 ($14.95 in chips)
Seat 2: trishan09 ($6.30 in chips)
Seat 3: millernelson ($5.55 in chips)
Seat 4: IppeNorrsken ($26 in chips)
Seat 5: teirok ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 6: jarrydg ($9.65 in chips)
JFD128: posts small blind $0.05
trishan09: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to trishan09 [Ah As]
millernelson: calls $0.10
IppeNorrsken: folds
teirok: folds
jarrydg: folds
JFD128: calls $0.05
trishan09: raises $0.40 to $0.50
millernelson: calls $0.40
JFD128: folds
*** FLOP *** [2h 4d Kd]
trishan09: bets $1.50
millernelson: raises $1.50 to $3

trishan09??

Advice appreciated.

[maccatak11]

You were just raised, not 3 bet, but for me, your $1.50 c-bet into a smaller pot looks like an underpair like TT or JJ. I think he has KQ or KJ, and the only realistic hand that has you beat is 44 (or maybe 22, assuming that he didn't sneakily flat KK in position). I snap shove here all days of the week, and on days that dont even reside within the week. But then again, im a bad player.

[Bob B]

Personally with pocket aces I'd put him ALLIN. I think he's thinking you made a play at the pot but he actually does have a King.

Probably the worst person to give advise but you do have him out chipped and by reraising he may assume you have a bigger kicker. If he has hit 2 pair or had pocket kings and you fold you'll never know, so I say go for it.

Just added; Yeah I'm in the same boat as Macca

[Garth Kay]

First of all, you didn't get three bet. Pre flop you two bet and got flatted.
Post flop you got two betted (raised).

A three bet is when a third bet is placed into the pot, so preflop the first bet is the BB the two bet is the next raise (what you did) if anyone raised again that is the three bet.

Now as played; what of his flat calling range do you beat there? Almost 99% of it. I'm not going to pokerstove it but I would say the reraise here is indicative of all KT+ Ranges, all sets, all flush draws and pocket pairs 88+.

I would probably jam that flop with no reads and see if I get called off.

If I wanted to be tricky and risk a bit more I would more than likely smooth the flop with no reads and then check the turn and try to extract more information from his bet there, if a diamond or paint card falls I become concerned. If he fires again then I will shove the turn as he is more than priced in to make the call with my stack.

My money is going in here somewhere along the flop or turn.

Your bet on the flop screams to me that you want to shut the pot down here and now and that you are fearful of progressing past this flop. It reads as a pocket pair that isn't AA or KK, a missed AQ or AJ. Which may have given villain the impression he could take this away with a min raise.

I would possibly only bet 3/4 of pot on this flop, I don't overbet it as I wish to extract value from villain, you have managed to do this by overbetting the pot but in most cases you will extract a fold when you want marginal hands and even strong hands such a TPTK to pay you off.

[trishan]

Thanks for the advice Matt, Bob and Garth. I will post the results tomorrow.

Macca and Bob I thought it was a snap shove here too.

Garth, I am not sure why I overbet the pot TBH. You're right, a 3/4 pot bet would have been better. Let's say for argument sake I flat and a diamond comes up, he checks - do we jam here or bet say 1/2 pot to see if he is trapping?

[Garth Kay]

Thanks for the advice Matt, Bob and Garth. I will post the results tomorrow.

Macca and Bob I thought it was a snap shove here too.

Garth, I am not sure why I overbet the pot TBH. You're right, a 3/4 pot bet would have been better. Let's say for argument sake I flat and a diamond comes up, he checks - do we jam here or bet say 1/2 pot to see if he is trapping?

We Check call and bet fold the river.

Need to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

[AceLosesKing]

Thanks for the advice Matt, Bob and Garth. I will post the results tomorrow.

Macca and Bob I thought it was a snap shove here too.

Garth, I am not sure why I overbet the pot TBH. You're right, a 3/4 pot bet would have been better. Let's say for argument sake I flat and a diamond comes up, he checks - do we jam here or bet say 1/2 pot to see if he is trapping?

We Check call and bet fold the river.

Need to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

Wow, what.

We c/c the turn, yet b/f the river? Why not just c/c the river as well? The pot is already $7.10 on the turn, villian has $2.05 behind, are we hoping he bets 50c or something? Then what, we lead $1 and fold to his $1.50 shove? If we're betting at any point after the flop during this hand we're calling a shove.

Trishan, if you flat the flop, you are first to act on the turn, not villian.

Readless, my money is going in here. As played, bet less on the flop so you don't get into such a tricky situation (although your bet sizing does work, and if this got him to spew with a lower PP/Kx well done, its just not something that you should be doing all the time), and shove the flop.

[bennymacca]

with a 60BB stack (shoudl be bought in full imo), its a snap shove. ez game.


you can never fold here, so the option is to flat or shove. flatting would be putting half your stack in, so i think its a shove.

if you were deeper, flatting would be ok here as well.

Garth, I am not sure why I overbet the pot TBH. You're right, a 3/4 pot bet would have been better. Let's say for argument sake I flat and a diamond comes up, he checks - do we jam here or bet say 1/2 pot to see if he is trapping?

We Check call and bet fold the river.

Need to get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

i think these lines are valid if we are 200bb deep. but with 60, i think it has to go in on the flop. in fact, i can't think of a better flop to get it in with aces, really.

[trishan]

with a 60BB stack (shoudl be bought in full imo), its a snap shove. ez game.

I lost the hand before benny the cunt otherwise I would have had a $10 stack. Previous hand was a set of 9s and some moron called me to the river and made his gutshot on the river without getting the odds on any previous street - but that's another story.

[Garth Kay]

Sorry guys, I knew what I had in my head and I didn't portay it well.

We check call the turn, if villain check behinds we bet fold the river.

You lead at this river simply because he doesn't fire with air on the river and he checks behind with hands that have perceived showdown value.

You get raised by the strong stuff.

We check call the whole way otherwise.

Does that make sense now?