You're a Bunch of Factors

CO was a 83/0 donk, SB was a 72/6 donk, BB was 25/21 over 30 hands

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Replayer
SB ($24.87)
BB ($27.88)
Hero ($25)
UTG+1 ($25)
CO ($69.87)
BTN ($25)

Dealt to Hero [ad] [kd]

Hero raises to $1, fold, CO calls $1, fold, SB calls $0.90, BB raises to $3.25, Hero raises to $9.25, CO calls $8.25, SB calls $8.25, BB raises to $27.88 (AI), Hero calls $15.75 (AI), CO calls $18.63, SB calls $15.62 (AI)

FLOP ($105) [4h] [kc] [2c]

TURN ($105) [4h] [kc] [2c] [js]

RIVER ($105) [4h] [kc] [2c] [js] [5h]

bb had a nice streak of cards to be at 25/21. Either that or he was an uber agressive player with decent cards. but at 10c 25c, would be inclined to think good run of cards.

Why can't hero find a fold here?

Garth Kay wrote:Why can't hero find a fold here?

+1

Garth Kay wrote:Why can't hero find a fold here?

your not serious right?

15 more to call, 66 or so in the pot at the time, with the possibility (read certainty) of the two other donks coming along.

even if i know bb has QQ+, i think i am still getting odds.

Very serious.

5 Bet pre and nothing says to you AA or KK? Or you still think you're flipping?

And even if the two lag tards come along for the ride you don't have a made hand. Run your equity through poker stove preflop with your hand against villain who is only playing AA or KK here and two villains whose ranges are top 80% of hands.

I don't like your four bet pre with that hand against that opponent who is raising OOP.

i agree garth, my mistake was to 4bet, but as soon as i did that, there was no way i could get away from the hand.

the reason i 4bet, was because i thought the BB would be isolating with pretty much any decent hand, because of the complete donks that had come along for the ride. so when i 4bet, and the donks STILL called, then i pretty much comitted myself to the hand.

it is interesting how different the replies are when i post results.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/mi ... ip-596712/




Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,460,246 games 21.905 secs 523,179 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 18.569% 18.15% 00.42% 2080282 47965.42 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 54.902% 54.61% 00.30% 6258210 34445.42 { KK+ }
Hand 2: 13.267% 12.94% 00.33% 1482766 37872.08 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }
Hand 3: 13.263% 12.94% 00.33% 1482458 37727.08 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 43s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }


adding QQ into his range changes it a lot

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,288,823 games 13.515 secs 613,305 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.644% 26.18% 00.47% 2170336 38621.92 { AdKd }
Hand 1: 47.622% 47.38% 00.25% 3927240 20979.58 { QQ+ }
Hand 2: 12.867% 12.44% 00.43% 1031207 35592.75 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }
Hand 3: 12.866% 12.44% 00.43% 1031172 35578.25 { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 73s+, 62s+, 52s+, 43s, A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J3o+, T5o+, 95o+, 85o+, 75o+, 65o, 54o }

Link isn't working for me and can't be bothered finding the post.

I'm only stirring benny the cunt. You have to ship it in here, I know I would.
If the positions were reversed you could maybe find a fold. With the pot odds offered you have to call, but in a different circumstance I think you can find a fold here, rest easy in knowing that money gets shipped on flop anyway.

If I sat back and really thought about it and it was 1/2 or 2/4 I don't know what I would do!

I still don't like putting it in here knowing at least one of your outs are gone, and possibly only your AS is live - the most likely one to have an out missing.

When you get re-raised from 9, I'm folding after this - I don't think you have odds at 4:1.

But then again, I've gone broke so many times in this sit and proceeded to tell myself I had odds

Garth Kay wrote:Link isn't working for me and can't be bothered finding the post.

I'm only stirring benny the cunt. You have to ship it in here, I know I would.
If the positions were reversed you could maybe find a fold. With the pot odds offered you have to call, but in a different circumstance I think you can find a fold here, rest easy in knowing that money gets shipped on flop anyway.

If I sat back and really thought about it and it was 1/2 or 2/4 I don't know what I would do!

lol i doubt there are too many 86/0 type players hanging around up at 2/4, though i could be wrong!

rcon wrote:I still don't like putting it in here knowing at least one of your outs are gone, and possibly only your AS is live - the most likely one to have an out missing.

When you get re-raised from 9, I'm folding after this - I don't think you have odds at 4:1.

But then again, I've gone broke so many times in this sit and proceeded to tell myself I had odds

after i 3bet, i left myself 15 behind. there were 2 callers at 9.50, and then a shove for 25.

this means that there is 45 in the pot, and i have 15 to call. (so thats 3:1 right there)


but i was pretty much certain that the other two doodle heads were coming along as well, so i was pretty much getting pure 4:1 on this, i.e 4 of us shipping $25 in the middle!

meh i love to gambool!


as played, 4betting then folding is the worst play possible. either i flat the 3bet or i try to get it in. once i 4bet, i commit myself.