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NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:13 am
by bennymacca
villain was a regular that i have played at least 500 hands with i reckon (although im not sure, because you cant track them on cake.)

villain is fairly standard, beats other players, but calls down way too light, and i had been owning his soul up to this point ; +3 buyins on this table, and another buyin on another table against him.


Hand#2076013139001887 - Calgary (1 on 1) 13139 -- $0.10/$0.20 NL Hold'em -- 2009/12/12 - 02:21:02
Seat 5: bennyjams ($52.96 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: Sama***10 ($31.26 in chips)
bennyjams: posts small blind $0.10
Sama***10: posts big blind $0.20
Dealt to bennyjams [Ah Ad]
bennyjams: raises to $0.60
Sama***10: calls $0.40
*** FLOP *** [6d 5d 6h]
Sama***10: bets $1.20
bennyjams: raises to $5
Sama***10: calls $3.80
*** TURN *** [7d]
Sama***10: checks
bennyjams: bets $11.20
Sama***10: is all in 25.6600
bennyjams: calls $14.46


comments would be appreciated on the turn. i think its a fairly standard spot to get it in.

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:01 am
by Scotty
What was your thinking when he flatted your flop raise?

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:44 am
by bennymacca
to be honest, im not sure. he can do this with kinda anything, but thinking about it now, its mostly flush draw and straght draw type hands, as well as smaller overpairs. but i would say mostly flush draws.

since i picked up the NFD on the turn though, we have equity against these. still hot sure what i am beating when i b/c the turn though, really

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:31 pm
by AceLosesKing
I can't see the board :(

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:24 pm
by bennymacca
AceLosesKing wrote:I can't see the board :(


pfft iphones.

i had the 2 red aces on a 6d7h5d7d board

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:02 am
by Garth Kay
Fold pre and avoid these difficult post flop situations.

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:24 am
by Garth Kay
I don't think there is a huge amount of issue with the way this hand played out.

Perhaps raising sizing on the flop isn't ideal, as played you are offering opponent less than 2 to 1 on his money to continue playing. Your bet sizing here is dependant on reads of villain. I would probably make it $3.80 - $4.60 tops.

Donk bet of villain polarises range for me: Any 5, any 6 (A5, A6, K5, K6, Q6s, Q5s, 45, 56, 36, 46, 67, 57, 58s, 68, etc.....) - especially connected or suited hands and any drawy type hands; str8 or flush draw. Also 33 - 88.

I am more leaning towards draw type hands or pockets here as these are the most likely hands micro players will feel the need to "protect" by leading into a pf raiser.

The check raise on turn really polarises hand strength. I would say his range is now all made draws, all two pairs, all full houses, all possible straights as well as nut straight draws with flush possibility.

So in saying all of the above I probably leave myself some wriggle room on the turn and half to 3/4 pot it. I haven't stoved the hand (if someone could, that would be fantastic) but I would say you are looking to fold against most of his check raise/shove range on the turn. Well I am anyway and by betting up to 3/4 of the pot I am actually not leaving myself the pot odds to call any shove on turn.

So if you do want to price yourself in for any spewy or spaz out plays from villain. By potting you are leaving yourself 3 to 1 pot odds on turn if Villain shoves. This is fine as well.

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:33 pm
by bennymacca
i really didn't like the way i played the turn, because as you said, i priced myself in. but i dotn think i am every folding there, rightly or wrongly. even if i half potted it on the turn, i can still see me calling a shove by him.

fwiw he showed [jd] [3d] and the river bricked.

Re: NL20 Heads up, Aces, Wet board, Line Check

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:13 pm
by bennymacca
sat down to play this guy AGAIN this morning. i have around 5k hands at heads up on cake, and at a guess, over 1k of them would have been against this guy. also at a guess, i would have taken a good 10 buyins off him, maybe more. (cake doesn't allow tracking against players, so you can only see your own graph)

he played me for about 5 mins on 1 table, and i asked him a couple of times to 4 table. he replied that he doesn't have the roll to play me any more, only against other guys, which i thought was awesome.

i was like yeah, take that bitch.

kinda smart though, because i really have only seen about 3 or 4 other decent players, and about 3241241241243 fish that buy in for 10 or 12, then give that to you in 20 hands, and either leave or buy in for full to chase the losses and give you a full buyin this time.