You're a Bunch of Factors

Villian had been really loose and had played a hand against me exactly the same with air before. Didn't have alot of stats, but he saw most if not all flops.

***** Hand History for Game 8744418455 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny: 49223634 Level: 3 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, December 27, 07:11:11 EST 2009
2) Table #17 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: RYNOFUSH ( 2,940 )
Seat 7: Zukes666 ( 745 )
Seat 5: brettsanace ( 3,675 )
Seat 9: kwazyclown ( 2,980 )
Seat 8: lizzard11120 ( 4,293 )
Seat 4: mumafish_8 ( 4,817 )
Seat 3: smart45 ( 3,500 )
Seat 10: tebbsy112 ( 3,720 )
Seat 2: wal51999 ( 5,920 )
Seat 6: wattsall ( 4,200 )
Trny: 49223634 Level: 3
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lizzard11120 [ Qc Jc ]
tebbsy112 folds
RYNOFUSH folds
wal51999 folds
smart45 folds
mumafish_8 calls [100]
brettsanace folds
wattsall calls [100]
Zukes666 is all-In [745]
lizzard11120 calls [695]
kwazyclown folds
mumafish_8 folds
wattsall calls [645]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, Qs, Ts ]
lizzard11120 checks
wattsall bets [100]
lizzard11120 raises [1,367]
wattsall calls [1,267]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
lizzard11120 is all-In [2,181]
wattsall is all-In [2,088]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]
lizzard11120 shows [ Qc, Jc ]two pairs, Queens and Tens.
wattsall shows [ Ac, 3h ]a full house, Threes full of Tens.
Zukes666 shows [ 7c, 6s ]two pairs, Tens and Threes.
lizzard11120 wins 93 chips from the side pot 2 with two pairs, Queens and Tens.
wattsall wins 6,910 chips from the side pot 1 with a full house, Threes full of Tens.
wattsall wins 2,435 chips from the main pot with a full house, Threes full of Tens.
Player Zukes666 finished in 219.

Why are you getting involved here? You have plenty left, you have to call an all-in with not much and then have to play the remainder of the hand severely OOP against someone you know is capable of spazzing out. You need to flop really well to get value here, why the risk? I would fold pre. I usually wouldn't call all-ins in this spot unless there is a very big chance I'm already ahead.

The other guy min-bets the flop, and you raise him 13 times the bet. Why risk so much? I know he had not much in the end, but even the worst players are capable of having a hand once in a while. Once he calls and the board pairs, why the shove? Very risky. Too risky. I realise you're ahead but you really aren't beating much in his range.

One thing I don't understand, you say he played a similar hand against you before exactly the same. So he called your flop bet and turn all-in with air then? How did he still have chips left?

It was a $3 MTT 1k GTD Turbo.
The player who shoved had just lost 3k and was spamming the chat box. I knew i was infront and against any other player with even a standard raise i would have folded.
I know i played it terrible, but if i do the exact same thing i would win the pot and be in a good position 9-10 times

Torak wrote:I know i played it terrible, but if i do the exact same thing i would win the pot and be in a good position 9-10 times

Yes, if your opponent had A3 every time you win 9/10 times, what about the times he has you dominated? What if he had KQ? That would've been what I put him on based on what happened in the hand.

In the long run the way you played is not a winning style of play.

Torak wrote:I knew i was infront and against any other player with even a standard raise i would have folded.

I would like to hear your line of thinking on what your opponents holdings are and whether you are in front of them;

- preflop
- on the flop

AceLosesKing wrote:

Torak wrote:I knew i was infront and against any other player with even a standard raise i would have folded.

I would like to hear your line of thinking on what your opponents holdings are and whether you are in front of them;

- preflop
- on the flop

Preflop, i thought i was infront of the shover, as he had just lost a huge chunk of chips.
Wasn't expecting a caller, but after he did i had him on a reasonbly low suited connecter, or other speclactive hands.

On the flop. His min bet looked to me as to see where i was at. He looked very weak having hit air or a straight or flush draw. I never had him on anything infront of me at the current time.

Torak wrote:

AceLosesKing wrote:

Torak wrote:I knew i was infront and against any other player with even a standard raise i would have folded.

I would like to hear your line of thinking on what your opponents holdings are and whether you are in front of them;

- preflop
- on the flop

Preflop, i thought i was infront of the shover, as he had just lost a huge chunk of chips.
Wasn't expecting a caller, but after he did i had him on a reasonbly low suited connecter, or other speclactive hands.

On the flop. His min bet looked to me as to see where i was at. He looked very weak having hit air or a straight or flush draw. I never had him on anything infront of me at the current time.

Ok.

You do realise that the only hand you beat preflop is JT right? Sure, by the river you may have AK/77/KT etc beat, but the only hand you are currently beating is J high, or a worse Q high. With the shove being such a large portion of your stack, folding here is the right move.

On the flop, I can kind of agree with you. I am definitely raising this flop, but your raise size is way too big. After you raised his bet x12 and he flat calls, that's when alarm bells should be going off. I would've reevaluated on the turn.