Calling PLO Players - 50PLO, Deep, nut flush, paired turn

[bennymacca]

players were fairly straightforward, no specific reads.

the complicating thing for me here was the fact that we were both very deep. i am probably good a lot of the time, but if i call, it is a horrible spot on the river, given we both still have $100 behind.

thoughts?

Hand#2141012415000411 - Willemstad (6-max) 12415 -- $0.25/$0.50 PL Omaha -- 2010/02/14 - 22:54:33
Seat 4: hans***4 ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: bennyjams ($146.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Team***6 ($147.79 in chips)
Seat 7: Hard***7 ($46.27 in chips)
Seat 8: patr***8 ($45.38 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: Jazz***9 ($57.02 in chips)
Jazz***9: posts small blind $0.25
hans***4: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to bennyjams [kc 7h 7s ah]
bennyjams: calls $0.50
Team***6: calls $0.50
Hard***7: raises to $2.75
patr***8: calls $2.75
Jazz***9: calls $2.50
hans***4: folds
bennyjams: calls $2.25
Team***6: calls $2.25
*** FLOP *** [6h 3h ts]
Jazz***9: checks
bennyjams: checks
Team***6: checks
Hard***7: bets $14.25
patr***8: folds
Jazz***9: folds
bennyjams: calls $14.25 (called because if i hit the nuts, it would be awesome implied odds)
Team***6: calls $14.25
*** TURN *** [th] horrible and lovely card at the same time
bennyjams: checks
Team***6: bets $28.50
Hard***7: is all in 29.2700
bennyjams: ?????

[Brett Kay]

players were fairly straightforward, no specific reads.

the complicating thing for me here was the fact that we were both very deep. i am probably good a lot of the time, but if i call, it is a horrible spot on the river, given we both still have $100 behind.

thoughts?

Hand#2141012415000411 - Willemstad (6-max) 12415 -- $0.25/$0.50 PL Omaha -- 2010/02/14 - 22:54:33
Seat 4: hans***4 ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: bennyjams ($146.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Team***6 ($147.79 in chips)
Seat 7: Hard***7 ($46.27 in chips)
Seat 8: patr***8 ($45.38 in chips) DEALER
Seat 9: Jazz***9 ($57.02 in chips)
Jazz***9: posts small blind $0.25
hans***4: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to bennyjams [Kc,7h,7s,Ah]
bennyjams: calls $0.50
Team***6: calls $0.50
Hard***7: raises to $2.75
patr***8: calls $2.75
Jazz***9: calls $2.50
hans***4: folds
bennyjams: calls $2.25
Team***6: calls $2.25
*** FLOP *** [6h,3h,Ts]
Jazz***9: checks
bennyjams: checks
Team***6: checks
Hard***7: bets $14.25
patr***8: folds
Jazz***9: folds
bennyjams: calls $14.25 (called because if i hit the nuts, it would be awesome implied odds)
Team***6: calls $14.25
*** TURN *** [Th] horrible and lovely card at the same time
bennyjams: checks
Team***6: bets $28.50
Hard***7: is all in 29.2700
bennyjams: ?????

Its a hard one, but i have to think that it is easier to fold to get away. Most likely, Hard 7 has kings or aces, with a possible flush draw. But i am more worried about Team 6, It is probably easier to fold the nut flush than to go up against his 10 outs to hit his full house, or be well and truly behind his quads.

At best your a 60/40 favourite if he has a set. So odds wise you can make a call, but are still going to be stacking off on the river when he bets all in. The half pot bet is interesting in that i think he is trying to get the marginal hands to call as in made flushes the dodgy over pair and the loose call for the straight.

Meh, fold keep money still at 120 and find some better spots.

[Caleb]

Meh, fold keep money still at 120 and find some better spots.

This.

ABC Ohama is much easier than ABC NLHE.

Even against one player this is probably a fold. Against two, definately. Much better spots to get your money in.

Team6 check/called the flop, then leads the paired turn. The guy that led the flop happily got it all in on the turn. Not very often are you good here. Fold.

This is obviously without reads, but as Brett said, at BEST your 60/40 3-handed with a river card to come. I don't know about you guys, but I won't stack off in Omaha in this situation. Definate fold.

[muzzington]

Yeah, I'd fold. If I had two pair in Team's spot I'd probably raise the flop.

If this is Cake I'm guessing Hard has just an overpair.

[Scotty]

It's a fold. Agree with the responses son far.

[bennymacca]

cheers for the input guys.

after picking up pieces of my head from all over the room because it had just exploded, i ended up screaming at the monitor and folding.

turns out the guy that led had a counterfieted bottom 2 pair, i.e 63, no other draws. WHAT THE FERG!!!!! the all in guy had trip 10s and scooped a 120 pot. this kinda tilted me a bit, but i knew it was the right play.

what if i only had 100BB instead of 250? it would have meant that i would have had about 35 left on the turn. do we get it in now, or is it still a fold?

[Scotty]

Meh, fold keep money still at 120 and find some better spots.

This is obviously without reads, but as Brett said, at BEST your 60/40 3-handed with a river card to come. I don't know about you guys, but I won't stack off in Omaha in this situation. Definate fold.

Whilst I fold here most of the time, this IS the base line type of scenario in which I would stack off in PLO.

[Scotty]

what if i only had 100BB instead of 250? it would have meant that i would have had about 35 left on the turn. do we get it in now, or is it still a fold?

Nah, re-pot the flop and get it all in the middle there

[Bacon]

I can't see how I would fold the nuts flush, even with the possibility of the house.

[Caleb]

Meh, fold keep money still at 120 and find some better spots.

This is obviously without reads, but as Brett said, at BEST your 60/40 3-handed with a river card to come. I don't know about you guys, but I won't stack off in Omaha in this situation. Definate fold.

Whilst I fold here most of the time, this IS the base line type of scenario in which I would stack off in PLO.

Not when the absolute best situation is a small edge flip. Much better spots to stack off deepstack. Shorter stack, as you mentioned later, just get it in on the flop and let the rest happen.

I can't see how I would fold the nuts flush, even with the possibility of the house.

Would you like to play some omaha?