You're a Bunch of Factors

He is playing 28/21. Haven't played a great deal of hands together. In the hands prior to this I have been playing loose.

PokerStars Game #44019029313: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/05/13 20:02:08 AEST [2010/05/13 6:02:08 ET]
Table 'Kariba' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Detroon ($13.55 in chips)
Seat 2: sbj1000 ($11.20 in chips)
Seat 3: nutsrandom ($23.20 in chips)
Seat 4: BIJ67 ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: trishan09 ($19.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Resuschris ($9.25 in chips)
BIJ67: posts small blind $0.05
trishan09: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to trishan09 [Qs Ah]
Resuschris: folds
Detroon: folds
sbj1000: folds
nutsrandom: raises $0.20 to $0.30
BIJ67: folds
trishan09: raises $0.60 to $0.90
nutsrandom: raises $1.30 to $2.20
trishan09: calls $1.30
*** FLOP *** [8s Qd 6s]
trishan09: checks
nutsrandom: bets $2.50
trishan09: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [8s Qd 6s] [4c]
trishan09: checks
nutsrandom: checks
*** RIVER *** [8s Qd 6s 4c] [3s]
trishan09: bets $2.80
nutsrandom: raises $15.70 to $18.50 and is all-in
trishan09:????

1. do you/should you feel comfortable getting it in with TPTK when you are 200bb deep?
2. do people raise the river as a bluff more or less often than they do the flop?
3. do you have any reason to believe he is bluffing?
4. what would you do if you were the other player, and you knew your opponent had AQ in this spot. can this person give you enough credit to find a fold?

Going by posting history, I'm guessing Trishan called, picked off the guys bluff and some people threw him a parade.

bennymacca wrote:1. do you/should you feel comfortable getting it in with TPTK when you are 200bb deep?
2. do people raise the river as a bluff more or less often than they do the flop?
3. do you have any reason to believe he is bluffing?
4. what would you do if you were the other player, and you knew your opponent had AQ in this spot. can this person give you enough credit to find a fold?

Obviously you shouldnt be comfortable but I find it hard to believe that with a flush a player would go all-in in that spot.

muzzington wrote:Going by posting history, I'm guessing Trishan called, picked off the guys bluff and some people threw him a parade.

Actually no...



But just wanted to see what people thoguht about the gross overbet on the river.

He showed:

I like benny the cunt's questions; personally I would fold that spot 85% of the time. The other 15% of the time I am spazzing out and generally on tilt.

I don't see many people river shove at micro stakes without holding a hand that had TPTK beat, but in some cases villains will over value top pair weak kicker hands as well.

If this was 100NL or thereabout this is a real fishy, "trying to make it look like I have the flush weak play". I still don't shove the river with anything but sets and better and even then that is read dependant.

I'd be less inclined to believe a shove than a sizable raise, depending on how long it took him possibly.

muzzington wrote:I'd be less inclined to believe a shove than a sizable raise, depending on how long it took him possibly.

It was a shove after 4 or 5 seconds.

call me a nit, but i most likely folding pre to a 4-bet when im holding AQ OOP.

Fold river too. Was your plan always to c/c to the river? interested on your thoughts here.

What do you think the villain put you on? You flat call a 4-bet pre. c/c flop. check turn, then lead river? Its all a bit strange, and if i was villain i would probably put you on TT/JJ/AK.

It looks to me like he found his bluff card on the river and thinks that you will fold the above hands.

His c-bet size was only about half pot (pretty weak), so is there ever a case for a check/raise on the flop here? knowing that we are only really behind to AA/KK/QQ and flipping with AKs? Im pretty sure we might find out where we are pretty quickly. Although is becomes a hard spot if he ships to our check/raise.

Interesting hand though.

maccatak11 wrote:call me a nit, but i most likely folding pre to a 4-bet when im holding AQ OOP.

This.