You Choose, AJo or 88

[bennymacca]

Aarons discussion got me thinking


a random unknown shoves. you have no idea at all about his range, absolutely none. it could be really wide, 100% even, or it could be Aces only

you get the choice of taking either AJo or 88.

Tell me which hand you would choose and why. i am expecting you to think about different which hands do better against what ranges.

for those that have pokerstove, please dont use it - i want you to think about what you would normally do, then we can talk about the maths later.

[Bacon]

Are the 8's suited?

I'm taking the 8's. If he's shoving with an Ace, or suited connectors, I feel I'm in front.

I can fold AJo easier, but against an unknown shove, I'm taking the made hand.

[Caleb]

Is the AJo UTG?

Such a bad beat in the making....

[kentishgirl2010]

All depends on the situation.....


If player with short stacks shoves and I have 88s I would call thinking they are playing with any ace to double up and therefore I am slightly in front of the race.

If player shoves with an average/big stack I would prob put them on low pockets (2,3 or 4s) unless they were an extremely tight player and thus call with 88s

I am not a big fan of AJo.....unless I am the one raising with it

You have to assume that the player raising might probably have AK or AQ and thus you're drawing to a three outer (unless you get running cards)

[trishan]

I think it is about the same. What range do you put the average player on who shoves preflop? Does this seem about right?

55-AA
AK/AQ/AJ
A10s/A9s/A8s (AXs??)
KQs/KJs/K10s (?)

[bennymacca]

All depends on the situation.....


If player with short stacks shoves and I have 88s I would call thinking they are playing with any ace to double up and therefore I am slightly in front of the race.

If player shoves with an average/big stack I would prob put them on low pockets (2,3 or 4s) unless they were an extremely tight player and thus call with 88s

I am not a big fan of AJo.....unless I am the one raising with it

You have to assume that the player raising might probably have AK or AQ and thus you're drawing to a three outer (unless you get running cards)

its not whether we call or not, we have already decided to call, then we get the choice of 2 hands

stacks do not matter either. assume they are 1 million BB it doesnt matter.

all that matters is the range of the other person

[AceLosesKing]

That seems about right Trish.

[trishan]

That seems about right Trish.

The next step in my non-maths and intuitivew reasoning is to try to figure out how often each of those hand ranges (broken down a little further) are likely to occur. What do people think of:

[bennymacca]

Which hand would you choose if opponent only ever had AA or KK?

[bennymacca]

with your graph trishan, i think you need to think about how many combinations of each hand there are

look at the cards A and K for example. in total there are 8 cards to choose from.

doing a bit of combination theory, there are 28 combinations or A and K. 6 combinations of AA, 6 of KK. that means there are 14 AK combinations.