You're a Bunch of Factors

In BB with JT suited, blinds are 75/150. At this stage have played a very tight game only opening 2 hands - I have 25k in chips. IMPORTANT to note that I am the bounty here.

UTG +1 limps (45K) - is a weak passive player. Limp calls off on marginal, draw type hands and will only raise with top 10% of hands, range is very wide for limping in this pot. Will call down with top pair and draws irrespective of bet sizing or board texture.

MP (17K)- calls - player with skills but has a tendency to overvalue starting hands and undervalue position.

Cutoff (40K)- limps - solid player, understands tournament poker well, but if he had any sort of hand in this spot he raises 4 - 5X. Would limp here with pockets under 77, suited connectors and pocket paint.

Dealer button (5K) - limps - player has some skills, undervalues position, has no comparable idea of starting hand ranges but overvalues pocket pairs and king high hands. If he had any hand of strength he would more than likely min raise or raise 3x MAX.

SB (18K) - no info on him right now - completes.

I figure that I can fold out the majority of hands of all limping ranges by raising large here and I raise 7X to 1050.

Everyone calls except for SB (who is getting huge odds) shake head in bewilderment.

FLOP - Ac, 4h, 2c.

I fire out pot figuring most will put me on the Ace and all flush, straight draws, pocket pairs will continue to turn.

UTG calls
MP folds
Cutoff calls
DB all in for less than my bet.

Turn card is 6c giving me the third nut flush.
27K in the pot and I have 18K behind.

What action do you take against these opponents on the turn?

ouch. check and try to see river cheaply.

You know you've got no FE against anyone with a higher flush draw, but you're also calling any push from them.

Paint is squarely in ranges. Fourth club drops, check and eval, but you're likely calling anyway. Icky.

You'd really rather complete that flush on the river.

I already know the outcome of this hand so I won't spoil.

Needless to say on the turn in the same spot I play it exactly the same way you did.

I will say obviously our games are quite different and as such I wouldn't have played the hand the same up until then, the 7x raise pre would massively compound on itself later in the hand, we all know limpers in general hate folding their limp hands, especially when there is a massive bounty on the line which is the case here.

I just don't like the idea of playing a massive pot OOP with J10s against multiple opponents.

I understand why you did what you did though.

I think against two callers its a bet/fold.

Hard to know if any of the players called with a lower flush draw (possibly the UTG might have a hand like 78cc or 89cc given your reads. Its unlikely that cutoff does). Most aces, Kx of clubs and probably Qx of clubs probably call your flop bet, both of which have you beat on the turn. You might assume that either flop caller might have raised if they had a small set or aces up.

I think i bet 3/4 pot and fold to a ship. If one or more flat the turn i get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I agree with caleb here too about opening OOP against so many. No points against players you know will call any amount once they already have a little bit invested.

In TOTALLY UNRELATED news, I won a GF ticket.

Wtf.

We have a flush and there's a bunch of money in the middle. You're a bounty in an 888pl tournament, they probably all have a gutshot.

What's the point in opening a hand like JTs, flopping a flush draw, leading pot and folding if we turn our flush?

I'm not folding, I think the best line is c/rai fwiw.

maccatak11 wrote:I think against two callers its a bet/fold.

Hard to know if any of the players called with a lower flush draw (possibly the UTG might have a hand like 78cc or 89cc given your reads. Its unlikely that cutoff does). Most aces, Kx of clubs and probably Qx of clubs probably call your flop bet, both of which have you beat on the turn. You might assume that either flop caller might have raised if they had a small set or aces up.

I think i bet 3/4 pot and fold to a ship. If one or more flat the turn i get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I agree with caleb here too about opening OOP against so many. No points against players you know will call any amount once they already have a little bit invested.

Dude pot is 27K
Garth has 18K

3/4 pot is 20.25K

David wrote:In TOTALLY UNRELATED news, I won a GF ticket.

So your gutshot with 5's got there huh?

Caleb Rybalka wrote:

maccatak11 wrote:I think against two callers its a bet/fold.

Hard to know if any of the players called with a lower flush draw (possibly the UTG might have a hand like 78cc or 89cc given your reads. Its unlikely that cutoff does). Most aces, Kx of clubs and probably Qx of clubs probably call your flop bet, both of which have you beat on the turn. You might assume that either flop caller might have raised if they had a small set or aces up.

I think i bet 3/4 pot and fold to a ship. If one or more flat the turn i get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

I agree with caleb here too about opening OOP against so many. No points against players you know will call any amount once they already have a little bit invested.

Dude pot is 27K
Garth has 18K

3/4 pot is 20.25K

HAHA i certainly am a tard this arvo. I gotta learn to read properz.

In that case i check and call one of the others who shove with Ax.

maccatak11 wrote:HAHA i certainly am a tard this arvo. I gotta learn to read properz.

Spelling like that and you're a teacher???

FFS.