You're a Bunch of Factors

***** Cassava Hand History for Game 173465180 *****
$200/$400 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 20 08 2010 23:13:27
Tournament #27882587 $10 + $1 - Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Villain 1 ( $22,598 )
Seat 7: Villain 2 ( $14,418 )
Seat 8: nplking ( $34,950 )
Everyone posts $40 Ante
Blinds posted.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to nplking [Qh] [Qs ]
2 folds
Villain 2 raises [$1,800]
nplking calls [$1,800]
2 folds
Villain 1 calls [$1,800]
3 folds
** Dealing flop ** [ 9h][2d] [6d ]
Villain 2 bets [$4,800]
nplking calls [$4,800]
Villain 1 calls [$4,800]
** Dealing turn ** [7d]
Villain 2 bets [$7,778] (ALL IN)
nplking ???

I don't fold often here. It's either flat/shove. Which is better and why? Or do you fold?

And yes I acknowledge there is definitely an argument for re-raising preflop.

OK I made a mistake on the posting of the HH so I am gonna edit it. Bear with me.

Edit: Updated.

Fold. He has shown strength pre,flop and turn. you also have a player to act behind you. No reads on players makes it difficult to gauge what they are doing, same with stats.

He has pushed all in with the diamonds up, you can't really call as your not drawing to anything, 2 pair, sets, straights, flushes all beat your hand, not to mention the 2 overpair hands as well, and if he has AK with one diamond your still running pretty thin.

Plus your not committing 2/3rds of your stack on him firing with Air, easier to take your 27k and find a better spot. Are we down to three players ITM or are we still on a table full of 10.Your bold line is very ambiguous especially if there are more than 3 of you. Their stack sizes are important.

Also you don't have much information on his hand. Reraise pre to get an idea of his 3 bet range, raising flop to see if he is confident to reraise you - saves you more money on later streets.

Fair enough Brett. There were still about 20 players left (10 on this table).

The other player involved is a reg here, maybe is he wants he can post his thoughts from his POV.

raise, get it in preflop

raise get it in on the flop.

as played, on the turn i think you have to fold. firing into 2 other players is pretty strong.

but i think playing this passive line is bad in general (similar to gmatical's last post) because you dont attempt to define your opponents range at any point in the hand. they could easily do this with TT or JJ (if they overvalue overpairs) but you really have no idea.

any reads on villains?

bennymacca wrote:but i think playing this passive line is bad in general (similar to gmatical's last post) because you dont attempt to define your opponents range at any point in the hand.

How dare you use my name in vain!!! Just kidding, I re-raise flushing boards in spots like these 95% of the time.

I fold here considering stack left to work with & slap my wrist for my actions prior.

gmatical wrote:How dare you use my name in vain!!! Just kidding, I re-raise flushing boards in spots like these 95% of the time.

lol

i understand that in your other hand you wanted to keep the drunk guy in.

As played, I fold.

I definately would have re-raised all in on that flop though.

pundies wrote:As played, I fold.

I definately would have re-raised all in on that flop though.

You need to learn to play omaha, you going to love the 60/40 flips in that game.