You're a Bunch of Factors

Blinds 100 / 200

Hero in BB with AdQh.
Three Limpers and SB Completes (5400)
Hero raises to 900 total (6800)

Everyone folds and SB reluctantly calls.

POT: 2400

Flop is Jc 8s 8c

SB Checks
Hero Checks

Turn Qc

SB Checks
Hero bets 1400
SB Re raises to 3000

What to do? Has it been played poorly to this point?

Two possibilities:

1) You have either been slow played by him hitting trips on the flop or
2) He checked with a flush draw on the flop and then hit his flush on the turn

I would have put a feeler bet out on the flop to see where you stand, if he re-raises, most likely to have hit his trips

It comes down to what range someone would limp-call with, especially as he is OOP. I think the range would be 55+, A10+ and possibly suited connectors 89/78/KcJc. I feel as though he has you beat here with either and 8 or flush and you should fold. Not sure what to make of the smallish reraise. It's kind of confusing. But I think folding is right here even though you have about 33% of your stack commited. AYou will still have about 20BB if you fold - wait for a better spot.

kentishgirl2010 wrote:Two possibilities:

1) You have either been slow played by him hitting trips on the flop or

Happy to see the correct use of trips benny the cunt?

trishan wrote:

kentishgirl2010 wrote:Two possibilities:

1) You have either been slow played by him hitting trips on the flop or

Happy to see the correct use of trips benny the cunt?

It's 3 of a kind.

i would have cbet on that flop for sure.

as played, i think i would have checked back the turn, and called a river bet.

your hand has a lot of showdown value, but betting when both straight and flush draws got there is incorrect imo.

bennymacca wrote:your hand has a lot of showdown value, but betting when both straight and flush draws got there is incorrect imo.

This. Although you have TPTK at this point, you run the risk of turning your hand into a bluff. i.e. you only get called or raised by better, and you dont get value from worse hands.

Checking the turn may induce a river bet from one pair hands that you beat like weak jacks, weaker queens or pocket pairs who now believe they are in front.


As to c-betting this board in the first place, that is read dependent i think. And your belief of how the other player percieves you.

If villain is a 'fit or fold' type player they are likely to lay it down to a c-bet if they have missed,l making it a pretty easy choice to do so.

This board probably hasn't hit much of your range (after you raised all those limpers - even with AJ you might not do this). So if villain is observant (he may have seen you c-bet AQ/AK in spots like this before) you set yourself up to be check/raised bluffed or semi bluffed with a draw. So against thinking players, checking back the flop may be fine.


As played, i get to showdown as cheaply as possible.

Have not read responses but:

1.) CBET flop. especially when you are the PF aggressor and in position.
2.) Check turn if called - get to showdown.

Also I would now fold turn; Beluga Theorem FTW in this case. Knowing the field as well as I do I would say QJ, 88, J8, Q8, JJ, A8 are all in his range with the checked flop and re raised turn.

Also whilst I think of it I would prefer to be raising more from the BB with four limpers to act after me. I would probably prefer to go to 1200 - 1400 pre. I would then fire off about 2200 - 2600 on the flop.

Thanks guys for all the feedback.

I tanked for quite a while (last hand before the break) and ended up folding and showing my AQ. Not sure if that was appropriate or not. But he did show and revealed a Q5o (no club). Probably a matter of playing too passively and getting pushed around with my tight image.

I just felt I could find a better spot. Suffice to say this guy ended up massively chipping up after the break limping with K's early and inducing a short stack to shove with AJo and another initial limper snap shoving behind for him to then re shove. He hit the sit out button for the rest of the tournament and got himself a $1500 Adelaide Champs ME ticket.

And me? Well I bubbled in 9th (7 tickets and $900 for 8th). One hand cost me at least 8th with AK limping and BB shoving with AQ and hitting a Q.

Though the worst luck I saw on FT was dealt to our own Mr Butler. He limped with AT(h) board came JTT, BB open shoved the flop (with J5o) and Nathan called. Board ran out JJ.

MattyMoo wrote: I tanked for quite a while (last hand before the break) and ended up folding and showing my AQ.

I just felt I could find a better spot.

Nothing wrong with this thinking i dont think. Would be interested as to your reads on what other cards he might have had in his range?

But at the end of the day its always better to make a bad fold then a bad call. Chips saved are as good as chips won as we all know.