Can we fold KK here?

gmatical · Postby **gmatical** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:21 pm

Effective stacks ~250,000

Blinds 1000/2000/500 ante

No reads but it is a high buy in tourney so all players are assumed very good

Us (KK) UTG Raise 9,000
MP Call 9,000
Villan Re-raise 30,000
Us Re-raise 66,000
MP Fold
Villan Re-raise 105,000
Us ??????

Is the villans 2nd re-raise ever anything but A A?

Do we shove, fold or flat call??

Postby **rcon** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:54 pm

gmatical wrote:Is the villans 2nd re-raise ever anything but A A?

smacks of AK to me.

Postby **bennymacca** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:51 pm

Tough spot.

Just a note, your bet sizing at this level us not great, this deep into a tourney, your raise should be no more than 5k, even a min raise is fine and is what I would usually do

It also means his 4bet will be to like 45k instead of 66k which makes it a bit easier to play because the stacks are deeper, and you could even flat and evaluate because it's only 1/5 of our stack instead of 1/4

At higher stakes, this can be a lot more than just aces, but it does look super strong

Garth Kay · Postby **Garth Kay** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:12 am

LOL - good hand to discuss, took me awhile to realise why it sounded so familiar.

A bunch of us discussed this very hand tonight at dinner and we could not decide on anything about this hand.

I think honestly there is a lot of metagame at play here and the open from UTG is rather large and smells fishy, hence why the four bettor could be doing so with TT+. I won't go into many more details and I will leave it up to the other forum members to pipe up.

JMACK007 · Postby **JMACK007** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 1:40 am

I know I'd be seeing a flop for another 39K here considering approx 180K+ pot and still left with 150K behind...

666HARPS666 · Postby **666HARPS666** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:29 am

With Jo on that .
Need to see a flop , Then evaluate next move .
Was there only 3 players left ?

Did he play picture Rag ? J 3/4 ?

gmatical · Postby **gmatical** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:29 am

rcon wrote:
gmatical wrote:Is the villans 2nd re-raise ever anything but A A?
smacks of AK to me.

So what do we do then? Shove, see a flop and get it in on Axx Kxx flops? Check fold if we whiff flop?

gmatical · Postby **gmatical** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:34 am

bennymacca wrote:Tough spot.

, this deep into a tourney,

At higher stakes, this can be a lot more than just aces, but it does look super strong

This is actually an early stage of the tourney (1st or 2nd level)- tourney had super deep stacks with a fairly rapid structure.

So, based on the actual action - what is your play benny the cunt?

gmatical · Postby **gmatical** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:45 am

Garth Kay wrote:I think honestly there is a lot of metagame at play here and the open from UTG is rather large and smells fishy, hence why the four bettor could be doing so with TT+..

I agree with this sort of, but as it is super early in the tourney - i kinda downplayed metagame a little, but then again they may have played together a zilion times.

As the villan is known as a live pro - i would respect his raises - especially 4 bets that are essentially committing him for his whole stack (in most cases).

But tough spot no doubt.

All thoughts from all people on this hand are welcomed - lets here some thoughts on a puzzling hand

maccatak11 · Postby **maccatak11** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:13 am

gmatical wrote: As the villan is known as a live pro - i would respect his raises - especially 4 bets that are essentially committing him for his whole stack (in most cases)

Thats what he wants us to think!

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