The TD's should be declaring last hand with one minute to go, no more time than that. A hand should not really start once last hand is declared. And going against popular opinion a hand does not commence from when the blinds are posted but when the first riffle of the cards are done.
I trust all of our TD's to do the right thing by players and to run a smooth tournament. If last hand is called with the second blind level counting down then it really is the last hand. For anyone who runs a tournament or has run a tournament 15 mins at the first break isn't exactly a lot of time to get everything done in the required time.
Now if we increased that time level to 20 or 25 minutes; I don't even want to begin to imagine the posts and emails about that.
As stated in previous posts; if you have any issues with a staff member or believe them to be doing something incorrect or unfair then please contact me ASAP.
I can do something about it, whilst posting on a forum about vague incidents or generalized topics will never change anything and your poker experience will continue to be slightly negative.
Consistency
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Garth Kay
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Email: garth@fullhousegroup.com.au
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Gail
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You never count your money when your sitting at the table, there will be time enough to count em when the dealings done.
Bit corny I know, but I rarely count my chips unless i'm in a hand and betting. Couldn't care what I have at breaks because your stack can fluctuate so much through the night.
Bit corny I know, but I rarely count my chips unless i'm in a hand and betting. Couldn't care what I have at breaks because your stack can fluctuate so much through the night.
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thanks for the replies... I guess that the answer is that there is no answer. 'The TDs discretion'.. leads to inconsistency
This is seriously getting ridiculous, 1 TD does this and another does that. James started the break at 2 min before the break, and John starts it at 1, theres even a rumor going around that Dakota does not declare the break till it happens.
Lets dump a couple of thousand dollars into getting some CB's and synchronize everything we do, and just hope to hell that a staff member is not running 5 minutes late, because then every tourny will, its all about the consistency
Every time I see a post on this website where someone complains its rarely to do with the poker, has no real effect on the game or players, and without magic ( cant wait till scientist invent it ) nothing can be done about it.
Also
In every complaint so far 1 thing is assumed... some TD is doing something wrong, because the argument is always in favor of another TD doing it right ( their way )
From the other side of the fence it looks like we don't have a hard or challenging job, you might even catch me sitting down having a chat with a player. I tell you right now, the staff I have worked with do a damn good job, and we all do our best.
and if I can brush off Barts old chestnut.
RELAX!
and simply enjoy the social and inconsistent environment that is social night/day out with some poker people
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my favorite comment when returning from a break, is from the guy who has had 10 scotch and cokes "matty i had x amount and now i have x amount you ripped me off". Personally i have now run somewhere around 150 - 200 games and so has most of our senior staff. Thats a hell of alot of chip outs we have done, so we actually do know what we are doing.
If you are one of players who must count their stack and return and believe that you have been short changed, please ask yourself this first: is it possible that i missed counted in my rush to count my chips, scull my pint, get my smokes out, sort out pokie change and order three more drinks?
Amother way of ensuring that we are doing correct chip counts is also quite simple. While we are doing them please dont come over and tell us all the bad beat stories for the week, there will be plenty time for that later in the evening.
As far as anyone running off to a bar to fill in a card after they have declared all in, thats a huge no no. I make sure to tell all of my new registrations that the card must be completed before pushing all in.
Hmmm guess that was my little rant, need more sleep i think.
matty
If you are one of players who must count their stack and return and believe that you have been short changed, please ask yourself this first: is it possible that i missed counted in my rush to count my chips, scull my pint, get my smokes out, sort out pokie change and order three more drinks?
Amother way of ensuring that we are doing correct chip counts is also quite simple. While we are doing them please dont come over and tell us all the bad beat stories for the week, there will be plenty time for that later in the evening.
As far as anyone running off to a bar to fill in a card after they have declared all in, thats a huge no no. I make sure to tell all of my new registrations that the card must be completed before pushing all in.
Hmmm guess that was my little rant, need more sleep i think.
matty
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James, I want my angry pills back 
Pardon me, but I think you'll find that's a shovel. See you next Tuesday!
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He does seem to be a bit enraged there doesn't he. Maybe a santa hat and a few scotches will calm the chap down.
On another note... magic has been invented. I saw my nephew get a magic kit for his birthday. Clearly it's real.
On another note... magic has been invented. I saw my nephew get a magic kit for his birthday. Clearly it's real.
Will dance for your chips!


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G__ wrote:I'm bored so how about some discussion
NPL does a fantastic job, the only problems I have seen ...
and just a quote of my opening paragraph for a certain psychopath above.
its for a discussion... and no one was saying NPL is rubbish cos if it.
also re: the blind/break issue it was a simple question to actualy find out what the proper ruling is.
One thing i've noticed on this forum (and the above proves it to a tee) is how anally retentive _some_ TDs are and how bad they are at taking constructive criticism. Pathetic.
I work a REAL job and I get criticism every now and then. Deal with it.
p.s. no you mostly actually AREN'T good players either!
Dont discuss NPL rules, TDs are never wrong. EVER!
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G__ wrote:Yet, time and time agian I have to deal with knocking someone out and then they have a totally empty card and run to the bar to fill it up , even holding up the game, and then back in... grrr. Even seen TDs agree to this (sometimes because the player might for example be an every night player). Just annoying.
Without solution, is just criticism.
G__ wrote:used to be that as long as the blinds were out then a hand is played before going to break. Very clear cut. Now i'm getting TDs saying nah go to break now when there is still a minute on the clock? well we dont want to do that so we get a cheap blind so we want to play. but no , told to go on a break. Which is it? you cant have iot both ways and many people were annoyed as half the table was off and other half wanted to play.
Without solution, is just criticism.
G__ wrote:i had a look a cant find anything, i think thats the problem, there doesnt seem to be a ruling on when the last and before a break should start. or is there?
Look Again.
G__ wrote:thanks for the replies... I guess that the answer is that there is no answer. 'The TDs discretion'.. leads to inconsistency in my opinion but thats life!
Without solution, is just criticism.
Constructive
1. constructing or tending to construct; helping to improve; promoting further development or advancement (opposed to destructive): constructive criticism.
Criticism
–noun
1. the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
2. the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.
3. the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
Construct Criticism
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Example
Hey guys, I have noticed that some TD's call the break earlier then others, I was wondering if there was a rule for this?, I liked in back when, if the blinds were out, lets get another hand in. I also think that would be a great way to keep it consistent.
Lets dissect.
- I have stated my opinion
- I have provided a solution
- I have not criticized anyone
- I have displayed inconsistencies in NPL tournaments
I hope this clears things up.
Cheers,
-- Zemond
Cheers
-- Don't worry "baby Butler", all the girls think your sweeeeeet
-- Studly Stud Studington
-- Birds don't need keys to open locks, they open them with their song!
-- Duck, Duck, Goose, run bitch run!
-- Zemond
-- James
-- Don't worry "baby Butler", all the girls think your sweeeeeet
-- Studly Stud Studington
-- Birds don't need keys to open locks, they open them with their song!
-- Duck, Duck, Goose, run bitch run!
-- Zemond
-- James
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If only I knew we could be complete tools on this forum!
Tool
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"Let's drive to Melbourne from Adelaide. Oh man, we need money. Hey, let's ask tool to come, he'll spot us the cash!"
Tool
A person, typically male, who says or does things that cause you to give them a 'what-are-you-even-doing- here' look. The 'what-are-you-even-doing- here' look is classified by a glare in the tool's direction and is usually accompanied by muttering of how big of a tool they are. The tool is usually someone who is unwelcome but no one has the balls to tell them to get lost. The tool is alwasys making comments that are out-of-place, out-of-line or just plain stupid. The tool is always trying too hard to fit in, and because of this, never will. However, the tool is useful because you can use them for things; money, rides, ect.
"Let's drive to Melbourne from Adelaide. Oh man, we need money. Hey, let's ask tool to come, he'll spot us the cash!"
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Re: Consistency
zemond wrote:Every time I see a post on this website where someone complains its rarely to do with the poker, has no real effect on the game or players, and without magic ( cant wait till scientist invent it ) nothing can be done about it.
Also
In every complaint so far 1 thing is assumed... some TD is doing something wrong, because the argument is always in favor of another TD doing it right ( their way )
I've got to agree here. Sure, it may be annoying that you miss one hand or have to leave before the clock runs down, but does it really affect your night out? No. There are worse things to worry about.
G__ wrote:One thing i've noticed on this forum (and the above proves it to a tee) is how anally retentive _some_ TDs are and how bad they are at taking constructive criticism. Pathetic.
This was the only part of your post that I agree with, some NPL staff do need to learn how to take criticism. Then again, in an environment like this, their lives are on show 24/7. They're always being watched and criticized.
G__ wrote:I work a REAL job and I get criticism every now and then. Deal with it.
p.s. no you mostly actually AREN'T good players either!
Ease up mate, they work in a real job too. And hell, it seems to be a prerequisite that every NPL Staff member must kick ass at poker, because every one of them seems to be an excellent player.
Scott wrote:Seriously, how hard is it to get his name right.
Aaron Coleman.
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