Obscure question

[Garth Kay]

I had a situation yesterday where a very new player put out exactly double the call, so the blinds were 400/800 and they carefully counted out 1600 put it out, then when asked by some idiot " was that a raise" they said no just a call, then realised their mistake and took their chips back

when i sugested that the bet stands as is, i was howled down by the table that we should be nice to new players and that we are not playing for sheep stations

at this point i got the TD over to rule, of course the same way as my sugestion, but after the event i was told by every player on the table that it shouldnt matter and that my "playing by the rules " ruins their good fun

i have nearly had enough of freeroll poker

Was the intention to call or raise? As a new player I would allow them to adjust their action accordingly.

We all began somewhere and we all went through the same thing. It is better to offer a warning and an explanation rather than penalise, in the case of new players.

Obviously this was a genuine mistake; the way to handle this would be to allow the call to stand and player may take back excess chips. I would then warn them about their action and inform them of why it is important to announce their actions and then ask them to announce whether they want to call/fold or raise from then on.

[Garth Kay]

Side note; If a player folds out of turn, does the player who the action IS on have any responsibility to call up play? Quite often a player will wait and see who else folds out of turn (everyone follows the initial folder) to gain more of an advantage. This could be preflop or post flop (After a bet)

Of course he has an ethical responsibility to do so, in not doing so he is not acting in the spirit of the game and is gaining an unfair advantage.

In this scenario, it is a very grey area. But I have once sat out a player for an orbit for a repeat of the same scenario.

I have also removed a player from a tournament that continually hid his cards hoping for the scenario you outline above.

[David]

Was more so talking about someone not hiding their cards... though what you mentioned is just wrong!!

[BigPete33]

@ krunchie: not sure how someone can very deliberately count out exactly double the blind and then claim a call. Based on the info you provided, I say it was a deliberate raise and you did the right thing. The person asking if it was a raise probably needs to learn how to count.

I'm sure even new players know how to say "call", because that's the only option ever fricking presented to them! eg: dealer says "200 to call" noob says "oh, ok" and promptly makes the call thinking it's their only course of action. Naturally, they win the pot and then the tourney - it's the way of things


@ harps: if there was def no indication of a motion to fold, I can't see how lifting cards off the table can be interpreted as a fold in any other fashion than it was just a bad assumption made by the SB. I've seen several players lift their cards off the table and put them into their own face to look at them, but that's their problem and one day they'll learn the hard way not to do that.

If there was any sort of motion to fold and then a deliberate holding back, that's angle shooting and that person has just folded regardless IMO. SB could then say "suckit douchebag" and carry on as they were. The correct thing for the SB to do then would be to ask every single hand from then on "is that a fold?"


P.S. What Scott said.

[bennymacca]

If they thought pink were 100 abd black 500 then krunchies thing makes sense

[BigPete33]

I had the best thing to say to this about old-man daryl and lakes but it'll just be lost on everyone

[gundog]

i have nearly had enough of freeroll poker

you have to feel for Krunchie, he's been having a horror run of late, having bad beat after bad beat by players with a wide playing range

[666HARPS666]

G'day,
Okay so yesterday @ S/F's Giz raised pre-flop every 1 on the table except 1 person who had his hand covering his cards which Giz could not see, so she mucked her hand. I will get Giz to explain when she gets home.
My question is under the FAIR PLAY RULE should she have lost the 50k she bet or only the blind?

[trishan]

G'day,
Okay so yesterday @ S/F's Giz raised pre-flop every 1 on the table except 1 person who had his hand covering his cards which Giz could not see, so she mucked her hand. I will get Giz to explain when she gets home.
My question is under the FAIR PLAY RULE should she have lost the 50k she bet or only the blind?

Technically once you muck, you muck and lose your bet even if you mucked by mistake. That doesn't seem very fair and it happens quite a lot when I play at the casino.

[Larx36]

G'day,
Okay so yesterday @ S/F's Giz raised pre-flop every 1 on the table except 1 person who had his hand covering his cards which Giz could not see, so she mucked her hand. I will get Giz to explain when she gets home.
My question is under the FAIR PLAY RULE should she have lost the 50k she bet or only the blind?

Unfortunately I did something similar before. I now try to make sure to ask if it's all done and dusted before I reach for chips.