What's hot- what's not

[cush]

You haven't read the previous posts have you cush?
So your saying that if a player plays all ten games at a venue level and finishes on top with the most points they are not deserved of it because someone who only played five games had better average than them?
I'm a little but confused by your argument? It's been this way for the last three seasons, and even longer in other states. And we have played this season exactly the same way for the past 8 weeks, why now does it occur to people that they should offer some constructive criticism?

Ok, so what exactly are we looking to change? The venue leaderboard system based on average?

Using your own theory, the DNP = 0 points method rewards the players that play more.

The leaderboard system should reflect the better and more consistant players, rather than the ability of people to manipulate the averages (outside the card room).

I'm all for loyalty rewards, but perhaps there could be a less intrusive way.

More starting chips, for example...

[FYTSolo]

Fair enough Garth. Hell I will enjoy it anyway, so in the end ces't la vie

Regards


FYTSolo

[Garth Kay]

Less intrusive = more starting chips?
Really?
More starting chips at a venue level or at the state finals? I think you would find more people up in arms about either of these two rewards rather than the fiscal rewards we provide.
The more consistent players are rewarded at a venue level, and to say that the majority of those on the state leaderboard are not consistent players is an understatement.
They are rewarded for their continual play and extreme loyalty towards NPL. There are many other reasons we do averages of best games (as previously stated) in this topic that I won't re hash here.
So what do you want to see changed Cush, from your first post it seems it was the venue leaderboards to be changed to an average system, now it seems the debate is about the state leaderboard?

So the recommendation is to create two State Leaderboards, one that reflects average of best 15 games and one that reflect average over and above 20 games.
And the top 25 from each progress to State Finals. That in itself is fair enough. Does anyone have a problem with only one state leaderboard receiving monetary rewards and the other not?

[Luke05(Jamo)]

things are fine how they r if u don't like it don't play

[Garth Kay]

Settle Luke.
We are having a debate. I am always open to constructive criticism.

[Luke05(Jamo)]

Settle Luke.
We are having a debate. I am always open to constructive criticism.

fair enough. I still don't think people don't understand npl is a Bussines, just like a supermarket. you can't keep every one happy, but you can allways try. lol

[Bacon]

For me, I'd prefer to see the Leaderboard as average over all games. And that is because I would rather see my results as a whole, and not think that games no longer count.

I missed the state finals in Season 1 2007 because I chose to play a late season mid-week game as a calling station and thinking "oh well, this game is for a bit of fun" If I hadn't played, the hit I took in my average would've put me in the finals.

But I see that is the kind of thing you want players to be able to do now.. play poker for a hit & giggle on any night of the week. When you don't place, then your season isn't ruined (so to speak). You can try a few different strategies (don't call anything before first break, unless monster hand or in SB and min call), raise a lot of pre-flops hand, etc etc, and if it doesn't work for you, then you still have a shot at the Leaderboard.

If you look at my stats, I'm not a regular player (15 games this season), but I love my poker, my NPL & moreso my nplsa.com

Any leaderboard/s you have, they are the way things are, and I'll play under those circumstances. I don't think I could find any compromising alternative, so I can't knock the way you do it.

[Bob B]

Wow!!! Garth, your on fire today M8. Your writing em faster than I'm reading em, LOL.

By the way the topic is "What's hot - what's not" and at the moment your HOT!!!

Remember to smile (less muscles = less energy) while your replying to these posts M8

[cush]

Less intrusive = more starting chips?
Really?
More starting chips at a venue level or at the state finals? I think you would find more people up in arms about either of these two rewards rather than the fiscal rewards we provide.

it was just an example...

perhaps you could discount their entry fee..

The more consistent players are rewarded at a venue level, and to say that the majority of those on the state leaderboard are not consistent players is an understatement.
They are rewarded for their continual play and extreme loyalty towards NPL. There are many other reasons we do averages of best games (as previously stated) in this topic that I won't re hash here.
So what do you want to see changed Cush, from your first post it seems it was the venue leaderboards to be changed to an average system, now it seems the debate is about the state leaderboard?

So the recommendation is to create two State Leaderboards, one that reflects average of best 15 games and one that reflect average over and above 20 games.
And the top 25 from each progress to State Finals. That in itself is fair enough. Does anyone have a problem with only one state leaderboard receiving monetary rewards and the other not?

i must warn you.. my apathy levels are rising..

and i can see the business reason behind promoting multi-venue playing..

but consistancy regarding continual play and loyalty isn't a measure of performance. the Current State Leader has an average place of 7.3 and places 60% of the time.

i'm fairly tired of the conversation now, anyway... since i'm only in it for fun... as long as poker is still fun, i'll play.. i'd like to think that if i get in a position where the leaderboard matters, that it's a measure of a players ability, not vehicle mileage...

After all... you do crown a "Champion" at the end..

[BigPete33]

Currently, it's possible to not have a regular venue (maybe due to work or some other reasons) and play enough games (lets say 15 - which is more than once per week in a season) to put you in contention for a place on the 'top 50 leaderboard'. Even if you do really well and consistently place and have a good 'real' average (better than most of the top 50 board) - you can miss out on finals.

What this means is, it's possible for someone who gives the NPL more than one day each week AND plays well to be disadvantaged with respect to their poker achievements.

A solution I put forward awhile ago resolved this issue and at the same time nobody else lost out either. Management was good enough to read it (thank you) but I can't help feeling they mis-read one of the main points and made a decision different to what they might have otherwise.