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[Des]

But regional leaderboards dont get entries to the State Finals.

[BigPete33]

I wasn't thinking of the state finals...isn't there some cash up for grabs for top of the region?

[Garth Kay]

Yes it does, but not as much as a system that would, based around total points.
100 games = 1000 points without even placing. I think it will be very hard for any player to get in 100 games in a 10 week season.
So let's say 60 games = 600 points. And this is worse case scenario all of our top 50 on the state leaderboard were quite often placing in the points, almost one in three times for the majority.
How many total points do you think the majority of our players (1.5 games per week, points finish 1 in 3 times, final table 1 in 5 times, one win per season)?
Average players per event 50?
Anyone else feel like doing the Math?
I get it at around 395 points per season, based on a ten week season.
So that means I only require to play 4 games per week, without placing, to beat the majority of our average players.

[Ondie J]

If it was based on total points... I'd probably be more inclined to head out to events, not spend a cent and play like even more of a tool than I already do.. just to continually rack up a mass of points. Every now and again I'm sure that I'd get lucky and knock up a top 15 place for some added points as well.

Not only would that kind of system not support the NPL for the game that it is but I think it would degrade the play quite a bit.


On the other side of the coin... India are currently 2/74

[BigPete33]

1 in 3 is still only 3(ish) in 10...that's good is it?

If your aim is to give the players every incentive to keep them playing, then what you're doing will work fine...at least for those that are already playing all the time.

Those that were/are considering playing more often to see how they fare on the leaderboards may not agree once they see what they have to compete with though.

In case any1 asks.... no, I'm not one of them and no, I'm not saying total points is a good idea

[Origami]

Horses for courses !

if I play my local venue with a average attendance of 40 pax

win every week in the 10 week season

my total points would = 500 points

my average would be 50 --Id make the State Final as venue

top five leader

but not make the STATELEADER BOARD ?? not 15 games

am I a good player ??.

did I enjoy myself met people make monies ??

[Origami]

But regional leaderboards dont get entries to the State Finals.

they dont !! OMG

must change tatics

[Nathan Butler]

The total points system i was refering to in my post would most certianly favor the mega game players. It would favor them tens times what most players believe the current system does.

My point is.. in any other league format, it is usually the orientation of the league to rewards points on a cumulitive basis and at the end of each season the total best points score would be victorious.

The average system keeps those potenial scores way down. Those those players that do play many games i believe it is entirely fair that they be able to base their average on their BEST 25 games, Considering they are not entitiled to all the points they accumulate i feel that they best 25 should then speak for them.

Players that play less than 25 games or equal too 25 games use there best 25 games to make up their average. Commenting that it is thier only 25 games is no true basis for arguing agaist the same principle. It is the reward of those who play more games to do so.

I am very much enjoying this discussion on the fairness of the current system, if some-one were to strike an idea or concept that was undeniably better than what we current have in place then i am very sure the system could be improve. Unfortunatly so far i have only seen discussion on who would have and wouldn't have made the leader under system "a" or system "b"

The only person to have submitted somthing really constructive is the couger, but unfortunatly your system of 1 in 5 games after 25 just isn't feasble.

Please brain storm on this one. We only are as good as are because we are always seeking to improve (not that need to thought we ROCK)

Regards

Nathan Butler (Mr CBD)

[Nathan Butler]

I can't sleep :S

So following on from what i have previosly mentioned. The average system current in place is what i could best describe as a cumulitive average. During the first 25 games you play your average will fluxuate up and down based on your points finishes. How ever as reward to players whom play more games, once you have hit 25 games (15 this season) your average cannot decrease.

Players don't seem to understand that.

Players whom comment on this system seem to believe the system is unfair becuase players that play more games WILL make more points. This is untue. Players that play more games have the oppotunity to increase their average with out decreasing their average. That is the only bonus.

You must remember that each players ability to increase their average is relitive to BOTH the SKILL of that particular player and the NUMBER of players at each event they play at. (Playing more venues gives you more chances to score, but scoring DNP or a score less the the players current average will not change anything)

SOOO! What that means is as the players average progress over time either they need to secure better postions then previously required or play in tournaments with more players that currently averaging. For example: Enzo, number one in the state last season. His average finishing over 60pts. He would need to win an event with more than 61 runners to increase his average from that point. finishing in 2nd place would acheive nothing.

So understanding that, yes his average for the entire season under the old system would have been appoximatly 25 but under the current system for his average to reach the 60's as it did. He had to constantly improve on previous results. anything less than a win in a large tournament would see him stay in the same spot.

Does anyone disagree with this logic?

[Nathan Butler]

And if you do i don't care. Im going to bed

In reference to Enzo... 45 points finished
32 of those on the Final Table.

15 of those finishes in the last 4 weeks of the season
only 6 of those finishes progressed his average.
His last game (sunday night, last night of the season)
Number 1 - Roulettes 126pts

That one event made him number one.