Another Scoreboard question

[Origami]

my Discussion...

as a recipient of points in the 10 X SF game I wish to comment the following..
I deliberately played in that game to gain points knowing the requirements to make the Deamteam for Season 2. My Poker skills and dedication to the game of Poker necciestate what I call Event Management .ie. chose to play when and where to achieve that which you desire/ target set..
I live in an semi country region and have access both large venue and Metro games regularly. My regular weekly venue achieves small fields usually < 30 runners. ( however it does attract the creme of our Regions players regularly .

A balance of Home games vs work/Live games equates to 2/3 nights of online games to gain points and test my developing skills.

I appreciate Garths endevours to make it a level playing field for all 888pl participants , growing pains and and adjustments to the rules are needed as both the players and the league develops.
I find it interesting that the nos of players/game availability in the participating States in now being taken into account and the ' X 'factor ard games offered is being adjusted to balance the equation.
Communicating clearly the rules/ requirements and the rewards achieved needs to be clear and set early and Garths attempts to involve the participants is to be admired.
Times online and the variety of Games offered I deem fair and reasonable given the ' marketing and promotion aspects that 888pl are endevouring to achieve.
so ---> Set the requirements, Set your Targets and play hard and fair to Achieve..your Enjoyment..

cheers

[Garth Kay]

Bruce,

Thank you, and that is by far your best post in most recent history!

I can't believe that "origami" just became one of the top 4 posters in this thread!

[Garth Kay]

Garth,

please change the entire structure of the competition to suit me. Mondays through thursdays i can only play during the day, and fridays through sundays, i can only play in a small 2 hour window between 3-5am. Also, make it fair for me because i live 200km from my nearest venue, which averages 8 runners. So i am proposing a 50x multiplier for that specific venue, because i really want to win the dream team.

Thanks in anticipation,

Mr Ungrateful.

How about in May you and your friends can create your own mini 888PL league with a score board for public or private view and then can compete against players in your own situation and abide by your own rules. Of course you would need to provide your own prizes.

And yes I know it's tongue in cheek Macca. By June we actually want players to create their own mini leagues where they invite friends to join and can compete on their own score boards for bragging rights and selected groups will play for sponsored prizes.

[maccatak11]

. By June we actually want players to create their own mini leagues where they invite friends to join and can compete on their own score boards for bragging rights and selected groups will play for sponsored prizes.

Hmm, interesting. look forward to it.

And as a further note to my above post, it just started to annoy me that there were so many people complaining about certain aspects of the points structure etc, but weren't offering any constructive alternatives.

My sugestions / things i like from the suggestions already.

- Freeroll + rebuy games to be considered foundations games and have no multiplier attached to them (or make them a 50c buy in / 50c rebuy game)

- Country areas to have special bonus point games. (i know the riverland has run its own teams event recently, perhaps this could be made a 10x points game of something similar)

- Registration points (i.e. the ten points you get for rocking up) should also have a points multiplier attached to them (this wont change state or DT LB, but has a big impact on venue leaderboards, rewarding players who play every week)


- Very interesting stats too about participation in each state Garth, i think your idea of offering special games in each state to equalise available points is also excellent.


Other than that i think its pretty much correct. I think all efforts are being made to iron out creases in the current system, and its impossible to get it perfect for its first implementation, so all good i reckon.

[ROYTRUDGEY]

10X is bs no matter how u look at it

Leigh,

If you go as far to say that then you also have to say that in the first season awarding points for the GF freerolls which attracted 500 players is also BS.

ohhh yeah i agree that was bs too but removing it didn't do anything that wasn't positive for me, but its not about me its about everyone else who doesn't get that 10x opportunity this season. wasn't that the reason the whole DT points system was changed.

[Garth Kay]

. By June we actually want players to create their own mini leagues where they invite friends to join and can compete on their own score boards for bragging rights and selected groups will play for sponsored prizes.

Hmm, interesting. look forward to it.

And as a further note to my above post, it just started to annoy me that there were so many people complaining about certain aspects of the points structure etc, but weren't offering any constructive alternatives.

My sugestions / things i like from the suggestions already.

- Freeroll + rebuy games to be considered foundations games and have no multiplier attached to them (or make them a 50c buy in / 50c rebuy game)

- Country areas to have special bonus point games. (i know the riverland has run its own teams event recently, perhaps this could be made a 10x points game of something similar)

- Registration points (i.e. the ten points you get for rocking up) should also have a points multiplier attached to them (this wont change state or DT LB, but has a big impact on venue leaderboards, rewarding players who play every week)


- Very interesting stats too about participation in each state Garth, i think your idea of offering special games in each state to equalise available points is also excellent.


Other than that i think its pretty much correct. I think all efforts are being made to iron out creases in the current system, and its impossible to get it perfect for its first implementation, so all good i reckon.

Thanks Matt. You raise a valid point and that's why I get frustrated, I receive complaints about the competition but no information on what players would like to see instead. It's noone's fault and I need to maintain my focus and patience and experiment with several different ideas in creating a fair competition.

I also like all of the points you have raised and I will discuss this with the ops group tomorrow.

[Garth Kay]

10X is bs no matter how u look at it

Leigh,

If you go as far to say that then you also have to say that in the first season awarding points for the GF freerolls which attracted 500 players is also BS.

ohhh yeah i agree that was bs too but removing it didn't do anything that wasn't positive for me, but its not about me its about everyone else who doesn't get that 10x opportunity this season. wasn't that the reason the whole DT points system was changed.

If we are going into the finer details and getting this picky over one event (and players till need to participate in another nine to acquire a position on the DT score board) then eventually we need to start going down the path that this competition is weighted more toward states that have a greater game selection (VIC) or has a higher average participant rate (TAS and QLD). If we start looking at the competition this way then eventually we have to give SA a 10X multiplier for all their regular events as the average QLD player will play in events with 70 players whilst the average SA player will play in fields half that size.

I believe the points system is about as fair as it can be right now. And I honestly believe that all SPECIAL EVENTS including monthly Challenge events, regional Bonus Points freerolls, team events any event with a substantial prize or prize monies attached should have a bonus points multiplier over and above that of our regular competition.

Moving forward there will be more special events offered in regional areas and the occasional event set up in greater metro regions and I am positive that it will be our decision to attach at least a 10X points multiplier to these events.

[David]

I'm in for a minute then out again.. so off the top of my head:

The weight needs to be with AWAY games. This is what makes the 888PL money, this is where they want people, and when you look at the average points when you go out as opposed to stay home, there's a lot of people choosing to stay home. The multiplier is a good thing, though this might need to be ammended.

The AK Rebuy being a 3x multiplier is a loophole IMO. You can spend, in theory, nothing - and get points times three. Even if you do rebuy a couple of times, it's a couple of bucks. Compare this to going to a venue, spending $20+ stamping up, and petrol getting there - AND being away from home - and it doesn't equate. Add to that AWAY CHALLENGE games where you usually add another $10 to this.

Online freerolls should be at a minimum. I understand wanting to get people "in" and playing them - but I think there would be a huge difference if people had to pay, say $2.50 to $10 for a game. If the Murrin Mania was $10 entry, imagine the change in both deadstacks, quality, and fields.

As I said above, the dreamteam is made up, really, of the top points getters in the AK Hairy Rebuy and the Murrin Mania. It obviously wasn't intentional that it would be this way but people work out really quickly where the best games are to play. I think that it needs to be harder to play certain events JUST to increase your average.

In saying that, I have no interest in the dreamteam as it pertains to ME. I don't have neither the time nor the ability to make that. Also, the fact that your games used in the averages is caps means it is weighted in favour of players who play a copious amount of games, both away and online.

A way around this, without making people stop playing, might be to affect scores by number of games, without making it a simple (points / games) equation. Let's say for every 10 games you play, another score is added to your average. Ok maybe not 10, but something. Say, 25?

So if you play 100 games, it's your 10 best home games and your 10 best away games.

If you play 125 games, it's your 11 best home games and your 11 best away games

150 = 12 and 12
175 = 13 and 13

This way, maybe you're not stopping people playing more (as was a case WAY back in season 1, 2007) but it makes people more accountable for playing more games.

It won't be a true prepresentation but it will be more accurate. You can play as many games as you like, still. But - the more games you play, the better you have to be, rather than "frerolling" to a higher average. Of course maybe this is too hard to implement into the software.



Side note, despite the sport nature of the staff/events - I think the semi final should be renamed back to the State Final. A semi final, to me, implies that you have to play this in order to get the grand final. In reality - maybe 10% of the field are there because of this?

The semi final has almost lost a little gloss because of the name. Obviously just my opinion. As is all of this.





I still play venues, and online games, for that particular game. I went to Salisbury West Sports Club Friday night simply to play a game, try and win, chat to Dakota, and catch up with Andrew. I played the Highlander today, because I just felt like playing. Ahh the stress-less time


Apologies for the length (if that). Time to go!

David

[ROYTRUDGEY]

if it's just all about venue then why are we playing on a internet site?

why even sign up with 888?

[Garth Kay]

if it's just all about venue then why are we playing on a internet site?

Who said it's all about venue?

This conversation is becoming very circular and I can see us going around in circles.

We are an integrated league and not every player can play in venue every night of the week. there are also some market movements and processes that dictate creating an integrated league was the next logical step in the evolution of our poker product.

But in saying the above we receive the majority of our revenue from venues who host our events. Hence why we do not want this side of our business to suffer and we continue to offer bonuses and rewards to players who participate in venue, support their local and spend their hard earned income on food, beverage and services offered via said venue.