Double December Points???

[Bob B]

bob that is silly

Of course it's silly Mate.

But, let's be serious. It will give the losing teams a lift like those outside the current top 50. It'll help make them feel so much better plus, it will increase the gate takings mate.

So, the punters outside the top 50 are able to snowball their way to a top 50 finish as they only need 15 good averages And a similar effect can also occur at your local venue.

It's all tongue in cheek benny the cunt but it looks just as silly when the goal posts are changed part way through the season.

[Bob B]

I'd use a harser word, but then I'd have to moderate myself

Luv you too Pete. I know it's stupid but I hear UK soccer are going to have double points for the reast of the season too, LOL

[BigPete33]

Big it up for Bob and another ridiculous analogy

Can you please bring constructive back to the table?

[Bob B]

Big it up for Bob and another ridiculous analogy

Can you please bring constructive back to the table?

Oh dear me Pete. You know I have this mental picture of you and it's so, so funny.

Build a bridge M8. You need to cross back over to the good side.

[BigPete33]

I see what you did there..

You saw "constructive" and added "bridge" into the equation

Lovely work mate!



So Bob...

Double points for an entire month with plenty of notice... your thoughts?

[Garth Kay]

I am sorry for the lack of comments I have had on this forum for the last several months.

My new position has made it difficult to allocate any substantial amount of time to read the forum and respond accordingly. I have read this thread with interest and i do have some comments to make.

I believe a double points period is good for the competition as well as for the business. No amount of comments I make can hide behind the fact that we wish to see all of our players playing for a whole season rather than dropping off towards the end of the season. But it also enable players that are just out of the top 20 on a venue leaderboard to remain in the chase.

Those that perform CONSISTENTLY over an entire season will not be disadvantaged by this promotion as the point spread between positions remain the same (in essence). I personally would love to see venue leaderboards be decided on the last night of the week rather than in week 8 of a season. And I do believe rather than discussing how much of a disadvantage it may be if said person has a bad run in the last three weeks and loses their position it should also be discussed how much an advantage it is to the person who may move up several positions on any leaderboard if they do have a good run in the final week. Kentishgirl if you have a good last three weeks you may possibly finish in top spot.

Another positive is that with so many points up for grabs and a possible finals position on the offering the play or skill shown at the poker table may increase over all. Tighter play will be necessary from all players.

As to players only wanting to play in the larger venues during this period, I have to say I believe this argument is null and void. All players have their local venue which they loyally support and it is only those players who are chasing a top 10 State Leaderboard position who may possibly chase the larger fields. This accounts for 1.5% percent of our player base maximum.

What I would like to know is their animosity over the whole promotion or the lack of communication before implementing it? We may look at next years competition to include a pre designated week or two of bonus points in the later stages of a season.

As of next year the competition structure will change slightly and you will see more "special" tournaments, a fundamental FTT qualification process and seasonal tournament which will be implemented as well as a different state finals structure. We will also implement a different points system which will see the sliding scale widen so that 1st, 2nd and 3rd are seperated from the field more so. All of these changes will be discussed in more detail once finalised and all NPL contractors are fully briefed.

As to the double points promotional period we will take all of your comments on board but I reserve responding to all negative comments until the promotion is over and the dust has settled.

In closing I am sorry for the lack of communication to players not only in regards to this promotion but for also the lack of input from all senior managers on this forum.

From this day forwards you will see a renewed interest in this forum from Annabelle, Carlos and myself. Myself in particular.

[Bob B]

I see what you did there..

You saw "constructive" and added "bridge" into the equation

Lovely work mate!



So Bob...

Double points for an entire month with plenty of notice... your thoughts?

Pete, you know I find it difficult to reply with just one liners so I'll say what I think and you take it from there.

Sadly, it doesn't really matter what you or I think. I don't really care, just so long as we all know before the start of a season.

I really liked the "Teams event", the "Berri big stack" and the "Winners playoff at the Casino". They were all great ideas that didn't effect the leader boards unless you missed one of your venues that were on the same day.

Those sort of events encouraged things like, punters all over Adelaide and the regions making up a team of their mates and or supporting their venue while boosting another venues income who sponsored the event.

Or the likes of 400 punters turning up to support a country venue like the Berri Big Stack.

Or, tourney winners over the last 4 weeks of the season having a seperate tourney at the Casino.

And they didn't effect the leader boards.

I don't think we need to go to the casino unless it was part of the deal as Parafield Gardens has shown it can cope with 385 runners. Knowing Greg (sorry I know him too Pete) I'm sure he would jump at the chance to promote something like that.

I'm only guessing here but he might even put a marqui on the outside lawn for meals etc, so all the finalists have one start time in the main room. And last time we were talking about the Gardens hosting one of the finals Greg said he could probably use the Catholic School grounds next door for the the additional parking.

Gregs an excellent Manager and I'm sure he's thinking way outside the square as we speak and will put on a great show for all to enjoy.

The bottom line is let's do it for the punters and they will come.

[bennymacca]

garth, excellent post, pretty much sums it all up

nuff said

[steve b]

I have read this post with great interest, firstly I would like to say welcome back to the forum to Garth I think we have all been missing your posts, but not nearly as much as we miss you here in SA.

Garth in response to your question, my problem is with both how players have been notified and the promotion itself, not that it will change how I play my season; I don’t want to complain about the promotion I just wish to provide my feedback in a constructive manner.

I think its wrong that a promotion, that may change the outcome of the season be introduced mid season without players being notified via the website before the season commenced.

I cannot think of any competition, be it amateur / fun, or professional where such a promotion has occurred without prior knowledge being provided to its competitors before the commencement of the competition.

I have not researched how the crown casino keeps its players informed of its double points tournaments however I am sure that the players would have been informed prior to the seasons commencement of such events occurring.

I find it a little disheartening to find out about double points December on a forum posted by a player, rather than from the organization that is actually running the league.

I often wonder why npl do not use this forum to run these ideas by a body of its players before deciding to implement them. I understand that Npl is a company that exists to make a profit and therefore changes being made are going to be based more along a company perspective than the players point of view, however it would make good sense to find out what the players think since its free easy information for Npl to obtain.

I have read a lot of comments about consistent players not being affected by double points being on offer. I play a regular venue each week that has 20 - 30 runners on average. If I am 2nd after 6 weeks I will have 120 points after 6 games to get myself in a position to qualify for states, having placed in 5 out of the 6 games, a fairly consistent effort.

I may have to miss 1 or maybe 2 of the double points December games at my venue due to family commitments over Christmas. Someone who played once earlier in the season at my venue has 32 points, they may be able to play the last 3 weeks and catch me with 2 decent placing. We will both be as consistent as each other however one of us has had to be so over a longer period of time and will still miss out due to the double points on offer.

The whole idea of double points December is to keep numbers up at venues late in the season as they may have a chance of cracking the venue top 5.

So therefore the players that stand to benefit from it the most, are likely to be players that have not played as much in the first 7 weeks of the season, I fail to see how this benefits those players that have been playing a majority of the season, be it at one venue, or chasing the state leader board.

I am not chasing it this season but there is a prize on offer for players that manage to rank in the top 10 at the end of the season. It would be a shame to see the top 10 being altered by a change in point’s structure mid season

I think this is a combination of bad timing, with Christmas rapidly approaching and a promotion that players really should have been informed of prior to the season commencing, also I don’t see the sense in having a situation available where a player can play less and be rewarded for it.

Double points at the end of the season no matter what time of the year, will mean that good players will play a lot less at the start of the season and play a lot of games in the last three weeks to qualify via the state leader board.

I think Npl is better served with promotions such as entry to a satellite tournys for players that win a event or even make it to anyone that finishes on a final table, whatever promotion you run to keep numbers up at the end of the season, I don’t think it should have the power to change the outcome of the whole season.

[Goose]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Interesting

So next season if it continues all i have to do is play the last 5 weeks and jag the points and im home

So my plan would be
Instead of spending $25-$30 every night i play to stamp up. The first 5 weeks I would be better playing at the Casino or online for cash. $30 online tourney could pick me up a few grand.
Then return for the last month and pick up double points to make the finals