The Poker Star with Joe Hachem

[trishan]

Didn't watch it. Can someone supply me a hand description so I can comment for Trishan.

Garth the hand went down as follows:

Blinds: Unknown

Dealt to Sally:

Sally raises to 8000, Gentlmen calls 8000

Pot ~$18k

Flop:

Sally checks, Gentlement bets 10,000, Sally folds.

The question I posed is why Joe and Lee both suggested that a check raise with an OESD is the best play in this hand.

The hand can be seen below:

[Garth Kay]

With the limited amount of information I have and from Brett's post that this a winner take all SNG I have to say:

That in this situation she should have led or check raised all in. I prefer check raise all in. Our villain who has a tight image will fold the majority of his hands that haven't connected with the board such as AQ, AK and lower pockets. It just depends on stack sizes and ensuring you aren't pricing villain in with a check shove situation, hence an open jam might work. You definitely want to gamble here as you do have outs against your opponent.

Even with a set or an overpair you have outs if you are called.

The only issue I have with folding is that you have called with KQ what other type of flop are you waiting for apart from KKQ? This is a good flop for this hand so if you are willing to flat pre you have to gamble here to take down the pot.

I personally might three bet this pre against a very tight opponent as I may induce a fold pre. I don't have all the details though.

So in essence I have to agree check folding on that flop is terrible. There is a case for flatting but i don't have more details on stack sizes/blinds. If we aren't shortstacked for less than 20BB in this situation I would flat the flop and look to make a play on later streets for more value.

[Garth Kay]

That's some terrible poker. Thanks for posting that Trishan.

Ok what is the most effective play in your mind to take down this pot? Folding isn't an option.

[trishan]

That's some terrible poker. Thanks for posting that Trishan.

Ok what is the most effective play in your mind to take down this pot? Folding isn't an option.

Well lets ignore the fact that they are short stacked - I agree that pushing the flop or check raising all in is the right play if shortstacked.

However lets say we are 100BB deep. I would raise the flop with an OESD 80% of the time. If he raises more than 3 times my flop bet I would fold but if it is less than 3 times I may flat 60%, fold 40%. If he flats I would revaluate on the turn depending on whether I made my straight, a spade falls etc.

If I checked (and I don't think I ever check here) - I might reraise some of the time depending on his bet and then revaulte as above but most times I think flatting is a better option than raising although benny the cunt does highlight good reasons to c/r.

Once I flat the turn card will dictate the rest of my play if I make a straight I am checking to trap 60% of the time or making a small smized bet to induce a reraise. If I see a brick or a spade I am most likely done with the hand and c/f.

[Garth Kay]

That's some terrible poker. Thanks for posting that Trishan.

Ok what is the most effective play in your mind to take down this pot? Folding isn't an option.

Well lets ignore the fact that they are short stacked - I agree that pushing the flop or check raising all in is the right play if shortstacked.

However lets say we are 100BB deep. I would raise the flop with an OESD 80% of the time. If he raises more than 3 times my flop bet I would fold but if it is less than 3 times I may flat 60%, fold 40%. If he flats I would revaluate on the turn depending on whether I made my straight, a spade falls etc.

If I checked (and I don't think I ever check here) - I might reraise some of the time depending on his bet and then revaulte as above but most times I think flatting is a better option than raising although benny the cunt does highlight good reasons to c/r.

Once I flat the turn card will dictate the rest of my play if I make a straight I am checking to trap 60% of the time or making a small smized bet to induce a reraise. If I see a brick or a spade I am most likely done with the hand and c/f.

So are we discussing OESDs in any situation or the comments made by Joe and Lee?

LOL.

We can't ignore the fact that they are shortstacked in this particular hand, hence why we are all saying check raise is the optimum play.

You may also note that I did mention above that in situations where we are greater than 20BB deep there are cases for flatting the flop.

[trishan]

Yeh Garth LOL - I think I am talking about OESDs in general which may have caused a bit of confusion

Also interesting to consider what is more +EV. If you check raise you probably get him to fold the flop with AQ/AK type hands that c-bet.

I think it's more +EV if you flat and if you make your straight, check-call his almost-mandatory bet on the turn, then value bet the river. Also if you want to end the hand on the turn you might lose less than c/r on the flop and getting flatted only to see a spade or a brick on the turn and having to fold anyway.

If that makes sense and I am assuming we are deep stacked here.

[AceLosesKing]

This is on free to air TV tonight. Channel 10, 12am ACST.

[Bacon]

This is on free to air TV tonight. Channel 10, 12am ACST.

Good. Missed taping it last night.

[trishan]

Watched it on YouTube earlier today. Will wait for everyone to catch up before commenting on it.

[BionicMike]

"Was probably a bad call"

Spoiler:

- Martin reflecting on his elimination because of his call with ATo after a raise and a shove.

Love it.