Betting to Isolate

[Ondie J]

I dunno... sure he was taking a massive chance holding that particular hand but having already put his money in with everyone else and then forcing the others to fold with a huge bet without having to pit anything else in, he's reduced the number of cards out there that could hit and take the pot, thereby increasing his own chances of winning it -- even if he has also increased the short stacks chances of winning. With just Mary in there, He's already reduced the field so that if that miracle 3 or 4 hits on the turn or even river if Mary doesn't hit then he's cheering.

Still... a big risk with 3/4 when you know that one player already has their money in and possibly already has pockets but good on you for making people who didn't have the stones to continue through complain. Just watch out for next time you try to do it with the same players

[muzzington]

Just like anything in poker, ask yourself why you're doing it. What were you hoping to achieve by betting out 3 other people in the pot when you had absolutely nothing.

[Bacon]

I see the reason why he wanted to isolate, he had 6 cards to make his full house (also could've hit runner runner straight/flush).

It didn't cost him any more to bluff, and he lost nothing more. Isolating meant he had more of a chance to win.

But... (and the table didn't communicate it very well at all), if he hadn't have bet, then the all-in was eliminated.

I'm not saying it was wrong to push (especially as JT felt he could get the chips back from the all-in easier than the other players), it's just a move I wouldn't make.

[Bob B]

The players weren't exactly pissed, they couldn't understand the bluff. I know Air would've just checked the hand down if there was no bet.

And if it was so push a threat out of the hand (and so they didn't get the chips), well that is a different story.

Same happened with my KK. A7 was all in pre-flop, me & another in. Board came out A7389 ... If I have had bet on the flop, then I would've pushed out TD Mark, who won the hand with J 10... The all-in A7 was less of a threat that Mark, and I would've preferred he got the chips, but I checked it down, thinking I didn't want to lose more money in case Mark had the Ace.. On that hand, either way I was losing, but it's where the chips ended up that mattered. But I didn't think my KK was the best hand, so I didn't bet.

A good explaination of the event M8 and a good read well done.

[muzzington]

I see the reason why he wanted to isolate, he had 6 cards to make his full house (also could've hit runner runner straight/flush).

It didn't cost him any more to bluff, and he lost nothing more. Isolating meant he had more of a chance to win.

But... (and the table didn't communicate it very well at all), if he hadn't have bet, then the all-in was eliminated.

I'm not saying it was wrong to push (especially as JT felt he could get the chips back from the all-in easier than the other players), it's just a move I wouldn't make.

I just think it makes more sense to make a move like that with something like pocket deuces.

I mean, would you think to yourself in this situation "Ok, there's three sixes on the board, I have 3 4, I'm going to go all in and put my tournament life on the line with this hand. I may catch a 3 or 4. I also have a runner runner gutshot straight draw." Nevermind the fact that most likely everyone else in the hand has a higher percentage to win than you do.

The amount of risk versus reward is ridiculous. Any hand could have called there (and A K probably could have). Besides, would you really want to turn up 3 4 and get that other 3 and 4, or a running straight? Yeah, the bet got everyone to fold, but you were always going to be behind, and the reaction of the other players make me think they would have checked it down. And there was no side pot, so you didn't win anything extra (unless there was and the situation is different to what was described.)

[BigPete33]

I'm all for getting others out of the hand so they don't get the chips, but it kinda helps if you have half a chance yourself.

If the hand is as Bacon described then yeah, it would have appeared pretty silly.

[Bob B]

I'm all for getting others out of the hand so they don't get the chips, but it kinda helps if you have half a chance yourself.

If the hand is as Bacon described then yeah, it would have appeared pretty silly.

Pretty stupid comes to mind a whole lot faster. And we wonder why some people go on tilt with that sort of play.

To think 3 4 had any chance after someone has already gone allin with a possible three of a kind or better doesn't make sense.

[BigPete33]

Well you could be rude and say someone is stupid.. or you could think about it and not do that.

Up to you really.

[AceLosesKing]

I think the more important question is why you're calling 1100 preflop with 3 4.

[Ondie J]

Assuming just about everyone else is holding high cards and if that flop is low you're going to smash it