feed back on the SA semi's

[Scotty]

If old-man daryl was forced to apologize for every bad joke he made, he'd never get anything done!

[Papa Bear]

"Twilight is like soccer. They run around for two hours, nobody scores - and millions of fans insist that you just don't understand."

Love it !!

[Scotty]

[AJG]

That it was... but my dreams after, last night, were plagued by A9o...
Well done on a(nother?) GF ticket benny the cunt.

lol sorry about that. the bottom of my range caught the top of yours and i got lucky. but yes, thats 3 tickets for me now.

No apology neccessary... Its not the first time its happened and it won't be the last....

Atleast Im pretty sure you shoved for a fold... not thinking you were ahead cos u had an Ace... like pretty much everyone else I have seen do that

It actually makes a big difference to how you (I) take a beat I think.... Why the other player did whatever they did. It makes a pleasant change busting out, but respecting the move your opponent made... (Normally, as Im sure you have done many times, Im like WTF was that? overcall 3 allins with 56o for a str8!??! nh monkey)

It was a good play cos anything below AJ/ATs/77 was going straight in the muck (I had AQo for the rest of you). 12BB is a funky stack to play, cos you have too much to open shove, but any hand worth raising you might find yourself calling allin anyway... thats how I see it anyway...
You said something about how long I took to call, you thought I might have smallish pocket pair, I just dont like 'inst-acting' most times... I hadnt really thought before my raise what I would do if I was put allin (bit silly I know, esp with you to my left).
I did consider folding, and was almost 50/50 as to call or fold, it was ultimately the fact that I had only 9BB left, and I was UTG+1 with under 3 minutes remaining in the level (I looked over to the clock) that lead me to call... That and you had been playin aggressively, the only player at the table I would think might be on a steal... But your hitting % did have me worried even after the cards were flipped

WD on 3 tickets....

[Garth Kay]

Just on the 12BB "Awkward to open shove" comment; I think this is slightly wrong.
Most guys now will open shove up to 20BB and beyond.

I am actually finding it very succesful open shoving as oppoenents generally read it as weak and are calling down light out of the blinds.

[bennymacca]

Atleast Im pretty sure you shoved for a fold... not thinking you were ahead cos u had an Ace... like pretty much everyone else I have seen do that

It actually makes a big difference to how you (I) take a beat I think.... Why the other player did whatever they did. It makes a pleasant change busting out, but respecting the move your opponent made... (Normally, as Im sure you have done many times, Im like WTF was that? overcall 3 allins with 56o for a str8!??! nh monkey)

this is a good point actually. i was shoving for a fold, but the ok thing about A-rag is that you usually have at least 30% equity if you do get called, and hands like 77 and 88 are in your calling range with your stack size i think. and as you saw, i was running pretty awesomely, so 30% is plenty enough for me to get it in with

[bennymacca]

Just on the 12BB "Awkward to open shove" comment; I think this is slightly wrong.
Most guys now will open shove up to 20BB and beyond.

I am actually finding it very succesful open shoving as oppoenents generally read it as weak and are calling down light out of the blinds.

yeah i think open shoving is probably the play these days, especially with antes (which there werent in AJG's case)

[AJG]

OK, 20BB now then huh? - even without antes I still tend to think in terms of 'M', but Im trying to change that to BBs as has been previously suggested (I think also by you Garth?), old habits die hard... My only issue with this is when antes are in play, it doesnt reconcile with different ante:SB ratios... but this is only a small issue really.

I cant remember exactly what the blinds stack sizes were, but benny the cunt was the only one I remember worrying about that much. I think the next biggest wasnt much bigger than mine? but not sure on that.

I commented after the FT finished, that thinking about it since the hand, not open shoving was probably a mistake.... although I may have said this only to Caleb, I cant remember.
And yeah, had antes been in play, I certainly would have open pushed...

And yeah, you were running HOT!
I even heard people outside during the break commenting on it... "Damn bennyjams is hitting everything!"

Just on the whole "how many BBs is getting too many to open shove", basically my thought process was that the blinds (1k/2k) would only add ~12% to my stack if I wasnt called (more likely with a push?) and I could probably get a call and then shove any flop, adding 4K (5 or 6k if it isnt the BB who calls) to the pot (if they fold), but of course Id be happy still if I only picked up the blinds.... Not sure what Id have done if 2+ had called, but thought that unlikely at the time... Is this reasoning bad? Ok you have said open shoving is the play to make, but am I in serious error thinking like this? cos its not atypical of how I will think playin that stack size...

[Garth Kay]

Best spreadsheet ever!

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=tq4AkyzVLRE8c5kJPUfND0Q

[AJG]

Cheers, I have seen similar things, but they have all been in reference to your opponents calling range, isnt that pretty important here?

Same thing with 'calling a push' charts or ranges... all dependant on how frequently your opponent pushes?

But thanks for that one... It looks a tad looser than others I have studied, at a glance...
I was BTN-3 (I think) UTG+1 anyway, so my AQo was a hand to open shove 12BB.... Darn it, I wish I had that one 3 days ago

Edit: This may be dumb question, but I cant for the life of me figure why 33 would be included in a range and not 22... (or why the equity decreases in pokerstove from, say AA v 33 to 22 - and yes I understand there is 1 more straight that includes 33 than 22), I mean against an overpair or 2 over cards, is 33 really so different than 22??? same thing with a suited Ace... why include A3s and not A2s??
I guess Im asking if there is any real world situation, where you would fold 22 or A2s, but would have called or pushed with 33 or A3s?