Renmark Club Open Champs.

[JMACK007]

Firstly, sounds to me like the Tourney structure was the same as the Checksides Deepstack Sunday event that Russ Learmonth put together? If so, that structure is AWESOME!!

B, We definitely need more events with that structure....

And comment the third, Dave get over it!!

[David]

[Todd Rivers]

Firstly, well played Maccatak. Still can't believe no-one mentioned how you started the tourney. Please fill in the blanks as you know the story better than i.

Now benny the cunt, totally agree with the add-on kerfuffle, won't happen again, it should have been done before the break with final re-buy option and not allowing that extra re-buy if you're over cost the prizepool a bit, i'll agree for sure.

Soooo many things are taken into consideration that i feel its hard to explain - and then i stop and think about it, and i don't have to explain, because it wastes my time. I spent a lot of time on that tourny and usually things go to plan, other times you have to just roll with it as situations arise and i've learnt that you can never please everyone.

I was very happy with the structure, and if you didnt have to travel, i'm sure you wouldn't have minded it a bit.

When you say "blinds/antes should be this - should be that" - where are you getting this from? Is there a handbook you have that i don't?

Please give it to me, i'd love to have it, it would make my job so much easier!

Your brother was right, besides the actual structure, it was to do with the amount of chips available and how many you have to use at a time for posting them, and keeping the good players in and getting rid of luckboxes who play 75% of hands. You cant run good for 10 hours doing that!

[maccatak11]

The story toddy is talking about is the fact I was the only person who had used my start tack and rebut before the first break, meaning that my 10k add-on had now become my last 5k bullet, and only 3 minutes before the break. If I didn't catch a ten on the river to make broadway soon after the break I would have been going home in about 90th. Luckily I survived that and after our initial table (which was pretty tough with benny the cunt, Russell learmoth, Larry, Edith and Nicole rivers on it) broke and I got moved to a table of tight passive players who allowed me to build my stack pretty easily. Pretty happy with the way I played after that. Going to the final table I was pretty certain that the top three would be Larry, myself and moose. None of the other players were aggressive enough I don't think. Luckily I won the race or two that I needed to, and didn't get hurt by the races I lost.

[bennymacca]

Firstly, well played Maccatak. Still can't believe no-one mentioned how you started the tourney. Please fill in the blanks as you know the story better than i.

well, i should know more than most i ended up doubling up through matthew once, and then stacking him a further 2 times so that he was down to his last rebuy - if he had waited to the break, it would have been a 10k addon, but since he had to take it before the first break, it was only 5k. so he was down to that at the first break, and had to win a couple of flips to get back into it, but then once he had a stack i think he pretty much dominated.

Now benny the cunt, totally agree with the add-on kerfuffle, won't happen again, it should have been done before the break with final re-buy option and not allowing that extra re-buy if you're over cost the prizepool a bit, i'll agree for sure.

Soooo many things are taken into consideration that i feel its hard to explain - and then i stop and think about it, and i don't have to explain, because it wastes my time. I spent a lot of time on that tourny and usually things go to plan, other times you have to just roll with it as situations arise and i've learnt that you can never please everyone.

i completely understand, i wasnt' trying to have a go - sometimes things don't work as you had planned or anticipated, in general i thought the event was run extremely well.

I was very happy with the structure, and if you didnt have to travel, i'm sure you wouldn't have minded it a bit.

yeah this wasn't really a gripe, can't really ever complain for too slow a structure.

When you say "blinds/antes should be this - should be that" - where are you getting this from? Is there a handbook you have that i don't?

Please give it to me, i'd love to have it, it would make my job so much easier!

Your brother was right, besides the actual structure, it was to do with the amount of chips available and how many you have to use at a time for posting them, and keeping the good players in and getting rid of luckboxes who play 75% of hands. You cant run good for 10 hours doing that!

with the antes, i was just drawing on my experience playing MTTs both online and live, and that most of the time the antes have been 1/10-1/6. i agree that putting more than 2-3 chips in for an ante is too much when the games are self dealt, but in most tourneys i have played, the antes are on the larger side if this causes issues, rather than the smaller side. in my humble experience, the antes are usually designed so that they end up being an extra big blind in the pot, so that if we are playing 6-8 handed, they are 1/6-1/8 of the pot.

at the 1500/3k and 2k/4k levels, i would have liked to see 500 antes.

fwiw, i just looked up the wsop main event structure, and they have a 400 ante for the 1500/3k level, and a 500 ante for the 2k/4k, and 1k ante for the 3k/6k level.

http://www.wsop.com/2011/structuresheet ... ucture.pdf

if my post before came off as rude then i apologise, i was hoping to provide some constructive feedback, and as you can see, the gripes are fairly small, which means the even must have been run well.

[Todd Rivers]

Nah all cool mate, i just set the structure to suit the day involved. If it were to be a 6-8 hour tourny, i most certainly would have done it the way you suggested - as i have many times before - but this tourny was designed to go the distance, without those BIG jumps that Macca mentioned.

[bennymacca]

this tourney makes me want to play more live poker again. need more of this type of buyin and structure

[maccatak11]

Yeah for me it was pretty much the perfect structured tourney. The triple chance format meant it wasn't crazy during the rebut period, and it catered for people of different budgets too ie people with only $25 or $50 weren't out if it, and some did quite well.

And for a one day tournament the blinds were perfect IMO. This should be a model for the structure of all big single day events like quarter/regional finals which are likely to get similar amounts of runners. A state final might run too long with these blind levels however.

I'm pretty sure the average stack, even on final table was always above 20bb which allowed room to actually play some poker.

Example: I was being pretty aggressive with my big stack, and opened 66 from ep. I think we might have been 6 handed or something Larry, in the cutoff knew I had been opening a lot of pots, and I knew he knew this too, so he 3 bet me. Stacks were deep enough that I could just over min 4-bet him without either of us having to committ our whole stack. In fact I still had room to lay it down if he had made the 5-bet shove. Blinds were like 6k/12k and most people had 300-600k in front of them at that stage.

[bennymacca]

Yeah for me it was pretty much the perfect structured tourney. The triple chance format meant it wasn't crazy during the rebut period, and it catered for people of different budgets too ie people with only $25 or $50 weren't out if it, and some did quite well.

And for a one day tournament the blinds were perfect IMO. This should be a model for the structure of all big single day events like quarter/regional finals which are likely to get similar amounts of runners. A state final might run too long with these blind levels however.

I'm pretty sure the average stack, even on final table was always above 20bb which allowed room to actually play some poker.

Example: I was being pretty aggressive with my big stack, and opened 66 from ep. I think we might have been 6 handed or something Larry, in the cutoff knew I had been opening a lot of pots, and I knew he knew this too, so he 3 bet me. Stacks were deep enough that I could just over min 4-bet him without either of us having to committ our whole stack. In fact I still had room to lay it down if he had made the 5-bet shove. Blinds were like 6k/12k and most people had 300-600k in front of them at that stage.

yeah that basically never happens in 888pl, its awesome when it does

[krunchie]

yea 4 bets without a shove would be pretty rare in a normal game

sounds great, cant wait to play one of these myself one day