railing the FT at the Foundation Semi

[David]

I am NOT criticising the way he played, so quit being defensive about it.
I AM stating I do not believe in betting into dry pots, much to my own detriment most times.

It is what I was taught to do when I started playing, it is a thing I have stuck to...

I am not sure if this is getting through or not!! I TRULY BELIEVE SCOTT PLAYED THE HAND TO PERFECTION!!!!! Quit ignoring that particular comment!

But I still live by my personal belief.

I think it's not getting through, because you think he played it perfectly, but you wouldn't do the same (and still wouldn't) yourself. The contradiction is what is confusing.

[David]

I think Scott should have checked it down. He didn't gain anymore chips by betting, and if someone DID have the flush, he loses more chips by betting. As it is all he is trying to achieve is getting flush draws to fold, and the all-in player was holding the nut flush draw anyway!

But what do I know, I ran like my Granny all weekend!! lol.

IMO, he didn't, but he gave himself more of a chance to win them.

[JMACK007]

I think Scott should have checked it down. He didn't gain anymore chips by betting, and if someone DID have the flush, he loses more chips by betting. As it is all he is trying to achieve is getting flush draws to fold, and the all-in player was holding the nut flush draw anyway!

But what do I know, I ran like my Granny all weekend!! lol.

IMO, he didn't, but he gave himself more of a chance to win them.

Yeah, fair point, but if he gets called he more than likely will be behind to the caller, and even though in this example he caught the fullhouse, most times he will lose this hand (and therefore lose more chips)...
(if called by the flush or higher trips on the flop)....

[AceLosesKing]

Yeah, fair point, but if he gets called he more than likely will be behind to the caller

No. Depending on Scott's bet size, most if not all flush draws, top/middle pair type hands, over pairs and straight pairs will call (if not shove over the top) in an 888pl event.

[David]

Also, doesn't take into considering Scott's read on anyone else, and the fact he's awesome and has lots of money

[JMACK007]

Yeah, fair point, but if he gets called he more than likely will be behind to the caller

No. Depending on Scott's bet size, most if not all flush draws, top/middle pair type hands, over pairs and straight pairs will call (if not shove over the top) in an 888pl event.

And if they hit their hand, he has lost more chips.....

I still think checking it to the river is the best option, as it is he hit the fullhouse and if anyone who was chasing flush/straight draws hits and they are silly enough to bet when there is an allin player, he calls or goes over the top and makes more money.

If he didn't make the fullhouse, and can see that the draws have likely hit, and they bet, he can still fold and hope the bettor knocks the allin player out....

In this example, he was very lucky to make the fullhouse after his bet forced all others out, otherwise he loses to the allin player's nut flush, and didn't gain any extra chips by betting....

[bennymacca]

And if they hit their hand, he has lost more chips.....

I still think checking it to the river is the best option, as it is he hit the fullhouse and if anyone who was chasing flush/straight draws hits and they are silly enough to bet when there is an allin player, he calls or goes over the top and makes more money.

If he didn't make the fullhouse, and can see that the draws have likely hit, and they bet, he can still fold and hope the bettor knocks the allin player out....

In this example, he was very lucky to make the fullhouse after his bet forced all others out, otherwise he loses to the allin player's nut flush, and didn't gain any extra chips by betting....

lets take a step back, and imagine that caroline still had chips left.

on this board, would you try to extract value from the two other players in the hand?

it is extremely hard to flop a flush. and as garth said before, the odds of a full house are around 25% compared with drawing to the flush at 36%



so he definitely has enough equity in this hand to try and get more value.

[JMACK007]

If no allin player, then yes, you have to bet that flop, and I suppose your point has to be taken there.....

[Nevah play JJ]

Hi Caroline,

I am sure Scott is happy with this discussion on his play but I will answer some of your questions.

Hey ya Garth,

To be honest, this was never meant to be a discussion about the way Scott played the hand.. I was trying to have some light hearted tongue in cheek / grumpy ranting fun, but unfortunately it became a discussion.

So sorry Scott.

Also, thanks for the answer you gave, I do need some time to digest what you have said, because whilst it makes sense, I get a bit confused about some terminology and as you can see it is early in the morning and I will need to make a list of questions.

But thankyou so much for what you wrote. However I will have more questions.

[Nevah play JJ]

I think it's not getting through, because you think he played it perfectly, but you wouldn't do the same (and still wouldn't) yourself. The contradiction is what is confusing.

Good point..
Maybe I should say I believe he played it perfectly because he won the hand, it isn't the way I would play it personally but, he won a huge pot and it was never meant to be a huge discussion, as I stated to Garth, I tried to have a laugh which obviously fell right in a hole.