Further Hypothetical!

[bennymacca]

sorry i did miss the bit about the standard utg open.

So why apply a range as tight as 5% for shoving over a 3x UTG open raise?

because you have no fold equity as soon as they open.

that is pretty much the only reason, and its a pretty good one

[AJG]

I just cannot see how the SB has no fold equity here?

Assuming 50/100 blinds:

We open for 300 leaving 4700 behind...
SB shoves over the top for 6000...

And SB has no fold equity you say??

So you have never open raised then folded to a shove over the top 3 handed? HU even?

By definition, any raise or bet has fold equity.... Granted it can, under certain circumstances, be 'in reality' non-existent, but in this case Id say the SB has quite a bit of fold equity.

[bennymacca]

I just cannot see how the SB has no fold equity here?

Assuming 50/100 blinds:

We open for 300 leaving 4700 behind...
SB shoves over the top for 6000...

And SB has no fold equity you say??

So you have never open raised then folded to a shove over the top 3 handed? HU even?

By definition, any raise or bet has fold equity.... Granted it can, under certain circumstances, be 'in reality' non-existent, but in this case Id say the SB has quite a bit of fold equity.

sorry misread

i am getting confused.

we have 50bb, the SB has 60, the other player has 10.

i am pretty sure that the SB would have a hand here pretty much all the time if he is a thinking player. why risk getting it in with the other stack for a 100bb pot when you can play only against the shortie.