Further hypothetical - but now we involve gameplay and maths

[Garth Kay]

Sarah,

You shouldn't take the results of one tournament as an example of why not, or why you should do something.

To get an "honest" answer on what is the optimal process to achieve the most profitable outcome you would require to run the same scenario an infinite amount of times; in the case of poker, and this tournament player, we would need to see his results from over 1,000 tournaments before we could make a conclusive argument one way or the other on whether this player was a winning or losing live MTT player.

This is why Math's is the cornerstone of any skilled online poker player; they understand variance and it's impacts and also the impact that volume will have on your overall win rate.

I like the idea of a study group now; Maths of Poker, Sklansky/Harrington and then HEM use. They would be my three areas I would want to cover or re visit.

[bennymacca]

instead of making a private thread, maybe you could just moderate it so that only participants can post, and keep it very strictly on topic.

[trishan]

instead of making a private thread, maybe you could just moderate it so that only participants can post, and keep it very strictly on topic.

I'll start one up.

[pundies]

Hey pundies,
The thing about Mr Maths is that if he is indeed playing mathematically correct, then if he played the same way over 100 tournaments he should win more than he loses. You might lose the particular hand but if you make the mathematically correct play then in the long run you will always be ahead.

This Trishan sums up what I am trying to get my brain around. Using maths & how that translates into long term results & how I may be able to make that work for me. But I just cant quite accept that maths is always the winner

[bennymacca]

if maths wasn't always the winner, then we would still be in the stone age.

im not joking about that either.

[pundies]

Sarah,

You shouldn't take the results of one tournament as an example of why not, or why you should do something.

Definatly not using this one example to influence my why or why nots. This is part of a whole collection of things that form the way I think. I really do understand the importance of maths for sucessful online play (its why I am interested in learing more). But mostly everything I say is in reference to live play and the tournaments I have played. I just believe other factors play a more important part than maths then (most of the time).

if maths wasn't always the winner, then we would still be in the stone age.

im not joking about that either.

Only referring to poker, nothing else

Enough maths for me. I hear a bottle of champagne & an evening at a party calling me.

[bennymacca]

But mostly everything I say is in reference to live play and the tournaments I have played. I just believe other factors play a more important part than maths then (most of the time)

it is also important in live games as well.

there are probably times where you do always do things with certain types of hands, that are pretty close to what the maths tells you, but you have just arrived at this way of play empirically rather than mathematically.

conversely, you probably have a few leaks in your game as well, due to not understanding the maths.

from all reports, you are a very accomplished player, but just imagine what a solid understanding of the maths will do for you as well!

[Origami]

enjoying this thread ,
from the back of the classroom or in the case of Prof. Bennys the lecture room...
as my 'local venue' has closed my online participation has increased and the changing of gears and adaption to online games I find this mathematical approach stimulating.

Yes I would have folded in the scenerio presented on the basis of too many cards or eventualities to come and as others have stated better[ more comfortable] positions later in the tournament/game with the chip stacks and knowledge of the players presented.

Yes Garth further expansion of the Tournament equity /cash scenarios you alluded to would be appreciated as it would give some substance to my 'folding for points/position/FT . that I use..I also would appreciate the HEM use thread or classes that have been proposed..

Feed me please....

[Five is alive ]

[pundies]

conversely, you probably have a few leaks in your game as well, due to not understanding the maths.

This is true.


For anyone who got to the end of this thread & they are thinking that they might like to get their head around the maths (like me) & apply to to their game, here is a link to a site with different levels of mathematical thinking, it starts at beginner:

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/mathematics/

[bennymacca]

those strategy articles look great - i encourage everyone to read them.

i just read through the beginner ones, and i found them useful as a refresher. but they are very easy to understand for everyone, even if you are not great with maths