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Re: World Football Thread

Postby bennymacca » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:27 pm

Des wrote:Remember, Pete's never wrong :D


the problem is, neither am i :D

well it turns out i am actually doing some work today, so i am going to wait till tonight until i post my full step by step argument with proof.

i mean pete wont agree with it anyway, but ill post so that the rest of the people know that there is at least one side to this debate that actually cares about constructing an argument and not just berating my because i know less than the other side.

btw pete, i am sooooo sitting on your table at the freeroll
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby Scotty » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:44 pm

bennymacca wrote:btw pete, i am sooooo sitting on your table at the freeroll


Not necessarily, since everyone will be drawing for seats ;)

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Re: World Football Thread

Postby bennymacca » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:24 pm

surely it can be rigged :P
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:34 pm

dont put me with the liverpool scum :lol:
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby bennymacca » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:10 pm

Ok pete, here we go. i am about to state my argument from the beginning, and i have stated the proof to back my argument up.


My argument is that the English Premier League has become dominated by the big 4 clubs, Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea. The reason is because they have much much bigger budgets than some of the smaller clubs. this does not allow the smaller clubs to regularly compete for the league title.

Proof:

in 2005/2006, the top 4 clubs had a combined turnover of 488 million pounds.

in comparison, the clubs that were ranked 5th to 8th in terms of turnover(newcastle, Tottenham, manchester city and everton) had a combined spend of 271.5 million points, which represents only 56% of the turnover of the big 4.

clubs down the bottom of the list as far as turnover were as little as 10 million. this represents a 10 fold difference in turnover between the biggest clubs and the smallest clubs.

link: http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats/st ... ver_01.htm


The gap between the bigger clubs and the smaller clubs is widening, because of the extra exposure and marketing opportunities that are afforded to the bigger clubs, and this allows them to generate more revenue. this is present in the numbers for the turnover of each club, but is also very evident in the ladder.

some stats about the big 4 clubs with regards to ladder position

manchester united have finished top 3 every year since the beginning of the premier league
arsenal have finished outside the top 4 only 3 times.
liverpool have finished outside the top 5 only 3 times.

chelsea have been top 6 every year since 1996/1997. in 2003, they were bought by a russion oil tychoon, and they spent 100 million on players. since that time, chelsea have finished in the top 2 every single year.

the big 4 clubs have finished in the top 4 positions on the ladder ever year since 2005/2006, and have occupied 4 of the top 5 positions every year since 2002/2003







So pete, i ask you. what is wrong with my argument?
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby maccatak11 » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:26 pm

And its even more interesting that the majority of clubs that have managed to spoil the top 4 party have been clubs like newcastle, everton, west ham and aston villa. Clubs who are certainly in the top 10 clubs in terms of expenditure.


Pete's arguments always centre around the fact that there are some "home grown" players in teams like arsenal who have been there through junior ranks. However it is the massive turnover of these big clubs that allow them to have an advantage in developing their own players also.


They can buy the best players
They can buy the best coaches
They can develop the best juniors, and not have them leave the club

Yes Hull are doing well, but are they title contenders - most certainly not.

I have been quiet on this argument, but Pete, you need to stop your love of english soccer from blinding what is an absaloute certainty.


No team from outside the big will ever win the title, UNLESS, they are bought by a big spending squillionaire who can match the spending of the big 4.

My bet is that no team from outside the big 4 will win a title in the next 10 years. Ill put my house on it.

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Re: World Football Thread

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:50 pm

did anyone happen to see that penalty given to Gerrard mid-week in the champions league, makes me sick, not just the fact im a liverpool hater more the fact it was a terrible terrible decision
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby krunchie » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:35 pm

you know what steve


your absolutely 100% correct

it was bad, even gerrard admitted after the game he was very lucky


but it happens in sport, sometimes you nick one and the ump doesnt hear it , the next time you miss it by a mile and get your marching orders.

In the end its not liverpools fault

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Re: World Football Thread

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:38 pm

i think Pete is right in saying you need these little things to go your way if u want to win titles
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Re: World Football Thread

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:04 pm

ANELKA what a gun

this guy gets better with age
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