BAD PLAY by both but more me

[gmatical]

Sorry dave, i didn't want to "cutoff" this thread.

groan

[Bacon]

i've never heard of hijack before.

[AJG]

Personally, 5 handed I would raise preflop there from the button, and as you are obviously not folding if a 3rd diamond hits, why not get it allin on the flop? Make opponent pay maximally to hit their draw...
Sounds a bit like they would have still called there maybe, so same end result, but I am thinking a 14K pot is still nice if they fold...

I doubt they seriously considered T4 in your limping range? Maybe not even a T... Thats a perfect spot for the button to take an orphaned pot (paired flops), so they could have thought perhaps only overcards??

But if your opponent thought you would still put all your chips in when they spike the 3rd diamond, its not bad play at all. Had a discussion of this a couple of weeks ago with Caleb, in that instance I folded (not quite pot odds to call), but I knew my opponent well and that he would not give me any more of his chips if the flush completed (also this was on the turn not flop, but...), otherwise I would have called.

[Scotty]

Yeah limping that button isn't the best play Harps. Raise it up sir.

[bennymacca]

open shoving pre is completely fine i think. you only have 10bb

[666HARPS666]

As i said a player who is normally out be4 1st or 2nd break .
Would normally of called me no matter what having picture & lower suited
I think even if i jammed pre, he still would of called

Still parts of my game i need to work on .
There was only 1 player @ table who is solid player ,UTG.
Once she folded yes i think i should of jammed . But i still know cutoff most likely would of called .
Remember he called after putting me on the book .

[666HARPS666]

As i said a player who is normally out be4 1st or 2nd break .
Would normally of called me no matter what having picture & lower suited
I think even if i jammed pre, he still would of called

Still parts of my game i need to work on .
There was only 1 player @ table who is solid player ,UTG.
Once she folded yes i think i should of jammed . But i still know cutoff most likely would of called .
Remember he called after putting me on the book .

[Caleb]

Remember he called after putting me on the book .

If he actually thought you had a boat on the flop then he wouldn't have called. Saying that you obviously had 10 4 in this situation is just silly. Main 2 points of conjecture:

1: Would you really limp from the button with 10 4 in this situation?
2: Would you really lead out on the flop if you have flopped a full house?

So you can forget the whole "he put me on a book and still called with a flush draw theory". Almost definately he put you a decent hand that he could beat if his flush hit.

[666HARPS666]

Caleb
he said you have 10 4 , too me . How many times have you heard a player say i know you've got the ace or i know your in front & still called . As i said a player that rarely makes the 1st break little own 2nd /or final table >"ahh looking for a word for this sort of player " I think Wilbur Post is his master

[Caleb]

I know he said "you have 10 4" to you.

What i'm saying is:

If he actually thought that, he doesn't call.