QQ - Facing 2 All-ins on low board - 2 Pots

[bennymacca]

raise to 500 pre, jam over the 3bet if/when it comes

ezy game?

[rcon]

Hero does start with 70BB and has committed only ~10% of stack, it is before 1st break and the other two stacks were both healthy (58BB & 30BB)

I just don't feel this is a spot we need to call off with equity running 50/50. We've still got a very playable stack if we fold.

If this was against one villain I can see the value in stacking off, particularly if the villain was the 30BB dude.

This situation I've been burnt too many times early in MTTs

[Garth Kay]

Yes that was meant to be my other point, raise more pre with limpers behind.
4 bet with QQ in that spot to around 2400 - 2800, fold to a jam.

At higher stakes be wary of anyone flatting your four bet.

[Garth Kay]

Hero does start with 70BB and has committed only ~10% of stack, it is before 1st break and the other two stacks were both healthy (58BB & 30BB)

I just don't feel this is a spot we need to call off with equity running 50/50. We've still got a very playable stack if we fold.

If this was against one villain I can see the value in stacking off, particularly if the villain was the 30BB dude.

This situation I've been burnt too many times early in MTTs

Oh, I am definitely advocating the fold, but you just can't right off pokerstove or your equity in the hand simply because you have seen this spot before.

[Garth Kay]

Trishan called, hit running Q's to beat AA and 77 and then was berated for calling in that spot?

[rcon]

Oh, I am definitely advocating the fold, but you just can't right off pokerstove or your equity in the hand simply because you have seen this spot before.

Oh good. I do get what you're saying.

I have to say tho, I would have thought tournament equity would have required us to be a little closer to the money for a meaningful result? being lazy here - feel free to say "go run the numbers yourself you lazy so and so"

[Garth Kay]

Oh, I am definitely advocating the fold, but you just can't right off pokerstove or your equity in the hand simply because you have seen this spot before.

Oh good. I do get what you're saying.

I have to say tho, I would have thought tournament equity would have required us to be a little closer to the money for a meaningful result? being lazy here - feel free to say "go run the numbers yourself you lazy so and so"

No that's why I said we need to know what stage of the tournament we are at, we definitely need to be pretty close to the money.

[gmatical]

Are we that worried by the panic shove from the first guy on the flop ?

Seems a strange play by a hand that beats QQ - although they could & fear the flush/straightening board I s'pose.

The call is a bit more concerning - but given stack size, if they have any pocket pair or hit the board (even with a drawing hand) most of these guys get it in.

Ummmmm..............

I think I call expecting to be ahead of the 1st guy - hopefully scoop if the short(ish) stack misses the draw.

Side pot will basically leave you with a similar stack as you started the hand.

These are the toughest spots - the deciscion should be influenced by what plays you have SEEN these players make (and showdown).

Having said all that - nothing wrong with folding here.

Arrrrrgggghhhhh....... i think i have changed my mind, maybe folding because we have no real idea what we are facing.






This hand should have came with a warning

[bennymacca]

they have super fishy stats.

the min 3bet pre, now the shove on the flop is a classic "i have the two red aces and there is a flush draw out there" play from a fish i think.

[trishan]

It was fairly early in the tourney but that said if I won the hand I would be in first and pretty much guarantee a cash. In hindsight I definitely should have folded because as rcon said, I still have a playable stack when I fold here.

I called, mainly because they seemed so fishy. In a higher buy-in tournament at later stage I think I would have folded pretty quickly. Any way one guy had [Kc][Kh], the other rolls [As][9c] and hits the [ah] on the river to scoop the main pot. I am left with 11BBs.