Change to the Official 888PL Rules

[Adam Hancock]

I will respond to this thread a little later. I have a few things to do now so I can't reply straight away.

I will read it a little later. I need to go rego for a tourney.

Do you plan on playing this tourney Mr Porter??

[trishan]

Before responding to individual replies, I just wanted to clarify what it is I am concerned about here, as most of you seemed to be missing the point.

I agree with you most you. People who win a GF ticket should support the league. I don't think it is right to register and then leave with no intention of coming back and then expect for those games to count towards your GF. Over the next few weeks I personally will play the games required and I will support my local venues.

The point of my argument is that it is not against the rules (whether or not this is accepted by forumers or not) and the 888PL can rely on these two clauses to make a lot of rulings based on "fairness":

1.Tournament captains reserve the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling.

2. Decisions of the Tournament host are final.

So OK, people who register, leave and subsequently do not participate will be unregistered because that is not in the "spirit of fairness". So they register and go all-in on the first hand and automatically muck. They still aren't supporting the venue so what next?

Will there be a ruling that in the "spirit of fairness" you have to play a certain amount of hands before you receive points? Or will there be a certain amount of time you are required to play before receiving points? What if you get AA on the first hand with several players raising before you, do you fold so as to get points? Will this turn into a bubble-like scenario?

OK, so even if players register and play a few hands, is it really in the "spirit of fairness" that they don't actually purchase anything from the venue? After all it only seems fair that if a venue pays per head that each player spends some amount. So shall we impose a $50 minimum spend? What about people who can't afford it, will they be turned down?

Nowhere does it say in the rules that a person who registers and subsequently does not play will be unregistered. In fact the rules suggest, as I have pointed out, that an absentee will be blinded out. It doesn't matter if you or I think it is right or wrong, if it is within the rules then it is my opinion not an issue. If management want to change rules then they should implement them after the next Grand Final to allow time for people who have based their behaviour around the current rules to adjust.

Someone brought up the law and one of the fundamental principles of law is the rule of law. The rule of law means that "the law must be prospective, well-known, and have characteristics of generality, equality, and certainty." Rules must be prospective in that people should be able to adjust their behaviour based on the rules ie. Based on the 888PL rule, a pro could register and never play in order to qualify. The other characteristic is certainty. Relying on "spirit of fairness" clauses means that there is no certainty as the rule -maker can impose new rules based on "fairness" and as I have shown above this can be used to change the rules quite dramatically.

[David]

Two scenarios, Trishan

ONE

You play 9 events, play well in some and not so well in others, and bust out.
You then play a 10th event, and leave going all in first hand.

TWO

You register for 10 events, and leave.



Totally different scenarios.

[krunchie]

Wow boys and girls

why am i always at work when an epic thread happens,

What a great read

May i say this was one of the more passionate and thought out threads we have had, due to everyones great responses.

I dont think i really need to add my opinion as the masses have spoken.

Well done team

[666HARPS666]

http://www.888plforum.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4790

[trishan]

I can't see anywhere that the forum regs condone registering and not playing. I would think that the majority (if not all but you Trishan) would look at it as one of the lowest things you could do.....

You have clearly missed my point, I don't condone it however it is within the rules then I see no reason why anyone should not be allowed to register and not play.

Think of taxation/trust law. Companies create charitable trusts all the time for fiscal benefits. Is right? Not necessarily. Is it legal? Yes, in most cases.

[bennymacca]

I can't see anywhere that the forum regs condone registering and not playing. I would think that the majority (if not all but you Trishan) would look at it as one of the lowest things you could do.....

You have clearly missed my point, I don't condone it however it is within the rules then I see no reason why anyone should not be allowed to register and not play.

Think of taxation/trust law. Companies create charitable trusts all the time for fiscal benefits. Is right? Not necessarily. Is it legal? Yes, in most cases.

so you have found a loophole and want to exploit it, to the detriment of 888pl, the venues, the other people at the table etc etc etc, for the benefit of yourself.

im pretty sure there are bigger things to worry about in the grand scheme of things.

at least there wont be 20 pros late registering into the event

[trishan]

trishan,

Instead of registering and going home and then return to play, do it like the rest of us, register when you turn up to play.

However I dont believe you actually intended to return, you got caught out so suck it up princess and stop sooking about it.

And just for the record I fully support the TC, for doing the right thing for the venue, the players and the company, because it could be considered fraud for registering non attending players, the venue cannot be expected to pay for players that do not attend.

You seem to come into every thread I post, throw out a few insults, neglect to read or understand what it is that is being said and give your 2 cents on an issue that doesn't exist. If you want to be taken seriously read what I have repeatedly stated: this is not about speculating about my intentions. If you have nothing good to say then don't say it all. Your post adds no value to this thread or discussion as you have misunderstood the nature of my complaint.

[maccatak11]

So its not right or ethical to be a complete tool, but you do it because it doesn't say in the rules that being a tool isn't allowed?

C'mon mate, just play your ten games, accept that what you did (no matter if it was pedantically a part of the rules or not) was not in the spirit of the league and STFU. This thread is tilting me so bad!

[trishan]

Sorry, is three number of times you played or the number of times you registered and didn't attend..?

Hey David,

I have played 3/4 as in 75% and I have only not played once this season (this excludes last nights game). I agree absolutely that people should not be able to register and then not play but if the rules do not prohibit it then 888PL must follow due process in going about amending the rules and due process means giving people enough time to gain knowledge of the new rule - perhaps make the rule come into affect after the next GF much like when the government implements new legislation usually at the start of a financial year.