Election Issues: National Broadband network

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Which broadband policy is better for Australia

Labor's National Broadband Network
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60%
Liberal's Upgrading of Existing Infrastructure
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40%
 
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Re: Election Issues

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:09 pm

rcon wrote:As for poo poo'ing the technology, my point is whilst is currently seen as the gold standard, there is no guarantee it will continue to be seen in that light and as such, closer inspection is warranted, something this government has categorically ruled out. You've also got the point Turnbull makes so well, consumer preferences may well not run to broadband - who would have thought fixed line phones would go out of style so quickly, that SMS would be so popular - this is why you let the private enterprise make this investments because sometimes they go wrong.


whilst in some respects i agree with this, with things like infrastructure, letting private enterprise do it is a surefire way to get a solution that only has the companies interests at heart and not the general public

roads are a good example of this. if they were left to private enterprise, every road would have a toll on it. sure, it might be the best road in the world, but if consumers have to foot the bill then they wont use it. contrast this to governments using taxpayers' money for the greater good and building roads.

isn't this the same thing?

telstra built their own cable network, and it is expensive as hell. this is because they deliberately set it as a premium price point compared with even their own hugely expensive adsl.
they built their own copper telephone network, and used it to deliver adsl. and it was expensive as hell until the courts ruled against them and allowed other competition to use their network.

so in this case, building an entirely new network is ideal, because it means everyone is on a level playing field to begin with, and this will immediately drive down prices to a point where it will be affordable for a general consumer, something cable broadband was never designed for.
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Re: Election Issues

Postby trishan » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:11 pm

Good stuff guys. Definitely seeing both sides of the argument come out.
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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:14 pm

renamed and added poll
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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby rcon » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:27 pm

poll is leading tho benny the cunt, we're discussing more than just a broadband solution, we're discussing policy which must take into account the opportunity cost of spending that money.

"Which policy is best for Australia" would be a more balanced question.
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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:30 pm

rcon wrote:poll is leading tho benny the cunt, we're discussing more than just a broadband solution, we're discussing policy which must take into account the opportunity cost of spending that money.

"Which policy is best for Australia" would be a more balanced question.


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Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby wabbit999 » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:41 pm

I believe I read somewhere that tasmania the 1st station NBN has a higher than expected uptake and will be profitable in a couple years. Your only point is cost rcon and suggesting private enterprise should do it. Private enterprise should the point is Telstra the only enterprise capable didn't want and has obstructed the attempts of other,hence why the NBN planers drawn up

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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:44 pm

wabbit999 wrote:I believe I read somewhere that tasmania the 1st station NBN has a higher than expected uptake and will be profitable in a couple years. Your only point is cost rcon and suggesting private enterprise should do it. Private enterprise should the point is Telstra the only enterprise capable didn't want and has obstructed the attempts of other,hence why the NBN planers drawn up



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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby rcon » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:45 pm

Is not just the cost wabbit, but the risk associated with that cost.

And isn't it funny that the government is paying Telstra to shut down its perfectly functional network, currently at the same speed the NBN will get to, whilst telling us this is a perfectly sound commercial investment. Hmmm, something does add up.
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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby bennymacca » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:49 pm

rcon wrote:Is not just the cost wabbit, but the risk associated with that cost.

And isn't it funny that the government is paying Telstra to shut down its perfectly functional network, currently at the same speed the NBN will get to, whilst telling us this is a perfectly sound commercial investment. Hmmm, something does add up.




so you are saying that you would rather have a monopoly operator who can price whatever they want, in place of free competition?

how does this make commercial sense?

you are stuck on the figure of 43 billion to build the thing. in twenty years time, it will go down as one of the best investments australia ever made
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Re: Election Issues: National Broadband network

Postby rcon » Tue Aug 17, 2010 12:54 pm

What, having a government owned and operated NBN corporation to build and run the thing for what 20 years? isn't going to create a monopoly, owned by a massively conflicted government? To get the best commercial return, and sooner or later Labor will have to start paying the bills, they'll have to regulate to keep it "competitive", maybe even at the expense of buying out competing network, oh, wait, that's already happening.

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