Election Issues: National Broadband network

[mr_smooth81]

towns that are getting the full speed fibre

Adelaide, Angaston, Angle Vale, Ardrossan, Auburn, Balaklava, Balhannah, Barmera, Berri, Birdwood, Bordertown, Burra, Carrickalinga, Ceduna, Clare, Clarendon, Cleve, Coober Pedy, Cowell, Crafers-Bridgewater, Crystal Brook, Eudunda, Fisherman Bay, Freeling, Gawler, Goolwa, Greenock, Gumeracha, Hahndorf, Hindmarsh Island, Jamestown, Kadina, Kapunda, Keith, Kersbrook, Kimba, Kingscote, Kingston S.E., Lobethal, Loxton, Lyndoch, Macclesfield, Maitland, Mannum, McLaren Vale, Meadows, Meningie, Middleton, Millicent, Minlaton, Moonta, Mount Barker, Mount Gambier, Mount Torrens, Murray Bridge, Nairne, Naracoorte, Normanville, Nuriootpa, Oakbank, One Tree Hill, Paringa, Penola, Peterborough, Port Augusta, Port Broughton, Port Elliot, Port Lincoln, Port Pirie, Port Vincent, Quorn, Renmark, Riverton, Robe, Roseworthy, Roxby Downs, Saddleworth, Sellicks Beach, Sliver Sands, Stansbury, Strathalbyn, Summertown, Tailem Bend, Tanunda, Tumby Bay, Two Wells, Uraidla, Victor Harbor, Waikerie, Wallaroo, Whyalla, Williamstown, Willunga, Woodside, Woomera, Yankalilla, Yorketown

this here has just ensured my vote...

now if there was anyway to get rid of conroy, it'd be perfect...

[bennymacca]

this here has just ensured my vote...

now if there was anyway to get rid of conroy, it'd be perfect...

+1 to this, conroy is a tool

[gundog]

benny the cunt I see you highlighted that Waikerie will be serviced by the NBN.

It's no concern to me as I will not be here shortly after new year.

My next assignment will be most likely North West WA or Qld.

[bennymacca]

waikerie will be all the better for it.

[Matt Porter]

Gundog, the latest enquiry into the school building 'fiasco' revealed a 2.75% complaint rate, otherwise stated as a 97.25% success rate. pretty bloody good for something that was rolled out so quickly and contributed to keeping 200,000 people in a job. if builders and contractors exploited the system is that expressly the fault of the government? I'm pretty happy that schools have new libraries and computer studios for my 2 young children. and out of interest, did you offer to return your stimulus package? put your money where your mouth is!

[gundog]

Gundog, the latest enquiry into the school building 'fiasco' revealed a 2.75% complaint rate, otherwise stated as a 97.25% success rate. pretty bloody good for something that was rolled out so quickly and contributed to keeping 200,000 people in a job. if builders and contractors exploited the system is that expressly the fault of the government? I'm pretty happy that schools have new libraries and computer studios for my 2 young children. and out of interest, did you offer to return your stimulus package? put your money where your mouth is!

Ok Matt how many local builders got to actually tender for the construction of these new buildings and won, do you know what limiting conditions were placed on tendering companies and how they were to be staffed.

the 200,000 kept in a job has been proven incorrect only last week.

Yes I'm more than happy if schools got new buildings that are actually value for money spent unfortunatly this is not the case, it's been proven that in most cases these BER building have cost more than they are actually worth.

So where did all these monies come from, the savings made by the previous Government, without these savings the current government was fortunate to have a surplus to enable these programs.

Are you happy with the way the Pink Batts scheme was run and the subsequent massive expenditure to check and rectify faulty installations.......the program was a brilliant idea, which was poorly setup and managed by public servents thus allowing shonky fly by nighters into the program, if it was managed better it would be still insulating 1000's of Australian homes.

[Gaz787]

now if there was anyway to get rid of conroy, it'd be perfect...

But who else will protect us from the scams and spams coming through the portal?

[Brett Kay]

now if there was anyway to get rid of conroy, it'd be perfect...

But who else will protect us from the scams and spams coming through the portal?

Common sense?

[Matt Porter]

Ok Matt how many local builders got to actually tender for the construction of these new buildings and won, do you know what limiting conditions were placed on tendering companies and how they were to be staffed.

the 200,000 kept in a job has been proven incorrect only last week.

Yes I'm more than happy if schools got new buildings that are actually value for money spent unfortunatly this is not the case, it's been proven that in most cases these BER building have cost more than they are actually worth.

So where did all these monies come from, the savings made by the previous Government, without these savings the current government was fortunate to have a surplus to enable these programs.

Are you happy with the way the Pink Batts scheme was run and the subsequent massive expenditure to check and rectify faulty installations.......the program was a brilliant idea, which was poorly setup and managed by public servents thus allowing shonky fly by nighters into the program, if it was managed better it would be still insulating 1000's of Australian homes.

I'm not all that concerned with the minutiae of these schemes Gundog, there is a much bigger picture to take into consideration. Surely we can pick the bones out of any policy action. We need to ask ourselves, what was the goal? Did we achieve that goal? The answer to the second question is a world wide recognised, undisputed YES. Scaremongering over minor details or big numbers representing debt is only to frighten those who are not mentally capable of recognising even larger numbers.

"Former Reserve Bank governor Bernie Fraser has launched a scathing attack on the Coalition's economic management credentials....He says the current debt level is small compared to other leading economies and Australia in the 1990s."

(full article here http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/08/06/2976161.htm

And, yes, Labor may have had to spend money stuffed in the attic by the previous Liberal Govt (because the Libs historically dont spend money on infrastructure), but they too would have been advised by the Governor of the RBA to do exactly the same thing, although the Libs probably would've kept the purse strings tied and cost 200,000 jobs instead. But at least we'd still be in surplus.

Anyway, probably wasting my time. You can't teach an old Gundog new tricks.

[rcon]

And, yes, Labor may have had to spend money stuffed in the attic by the previous Liberal Govt (because the Libs historically dont spend money on infrastructure), but they too would have been advised by the Governor of the RBA to do exactly the same thing, although the Libs probably would've kept the purse strings tied and cost 200,000 jobs instead. But at least we'd still be in surplus.

Matt, you are being disingenuous here. The Libs supported the first round of stimulus, and they certainly supported a second round, just not as large and "grand" as what Labor did. You'll also find most of Malcomn Turnbull's predictions regarding the waste and mismanagement of the 2nd round of spending was 100% accurate.

You also misrepresent the BER report. You'll find the BER report would not guarantee anonymity for the principals so you wouldn't have gotten a lot of the complains. And who is to say just because the person receiving the infrastructure likes being giving a bonus that they will complain even if they think the taxpayer is being rorted. Dollars to doughnuts you wouldn't have complained if you got two $900 cheques last year when you were only meant to get one. That report was told to ask very specific questions that would avoid embarrassing the government (as all governments do) and it STILL looked bad for the government. I'll find some more regarding the terms of reference for you later.

And you think former reserve bank governor Bernie holds some sway, how about current board member of the reserve bank, Warwick McKibbin(?) completely ripping apart the claim that is was the stimulus that saved us at all, instead attributing it to the dollar, strong financial position and interest rates. He also actually backs up what he says

Professor McKibbin, the third-longest serving RBA current director having joined in 2001, said there were many forces supporting the economy as financial crisis hit in 2008-09, including the fall in interest rates, the fall in the value of the dollar and the resilience of Australia's banks.

"The role of fiscal policy was relatively small; that doesn't mean it wasn't important, but it could not have been responsible for creating 200,000 jobs," he said.

"It was never going to be spent very effectively and the nature of the spending was not such that it could be rolled out quickly. Nor could it be changed if the forecasts were wrong, which they were."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 5904135466


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