teams event post game thoughts

[Garth Kay]

I thought this appropriate seeing those that shall not be named , have been named a lot

Yeah I get edited and warned for making the slightest positive comment about "them" yet then 888PL actively pursue dialogue to set up a major event around the whole thing! Hence my "I'm confused" post earlier...

Also, I seem to remember suggesting some type of match to find Australia's best 'pub poker player' many months ago on here and was completely shut down because no one wanted to offer 'support / coverage' of other leagues... Yet after yesterday (and the win of "the other leagues" player on Thursday night) they are all keen.

BTW, I do think it's a great idea. As mentioned in my previous posts on such a tournament many players try other leagues or venues to refresh themselves from playing the same old people. Co-operation to work together would be great. Players will still support the league they feel most comfortable playing at the end of the day. I don't think (as I assume 888 and "the other league" agree given the discussion already taken place) that there is any marketing risk as suggested previously and in fact I think it can be positive for both or others that may participate.

I feel somewhat as a catalyst for this as I, like many others, float between the leagues picking the games we want to play and I actively marketed both the Thursday and Sunday games to "the other league" players and they confirmed today that this was a major factor to their participation. (So sorry Edith and your team!) But in the end I think that this is only good for 888PL and their players ("a" - by actually just tipping the break even at both Thursday and Saturday events thus 888 for not losing out and "b" by giving 888 players the opportunity to experience playing against people they may not normally encounter).

Also, on the actual event I think that this could be a significant event and could be held. I know there has been some discussion around an event similar to the Berri Deepstack weekend away and this might fit that bill. Somewhere, like the Weintal in Tanunda where there is sufficient accommodation for a two day event could be the go... But I guess the biggest question that would need to be answered is who's cutting the cards? - The SB or C/O?

I hope this gets off the ground and I wish you all good luck!

Hi Matt,

First off your comment was promoting another league as better than 888PL (or could be perceived that way) and as this is an 888PL tool I won't have this happen, secondly I did this as a favour as well as I am sure that you would have started a very large flame war with that very inocuous comment. I am more than happy to put it back up if you are happy to wear the recriminations that may fall you way from your 888PL peers that attend this forum?

The only reason that I am even considering this event now is because staunch supporters of another league have visited this forum and have acted in a very cordial and respectful manner. This was a big positive in me moving forward with this idea, secondly, because these players won a teams event yesterday and now the floodgates have opened and 888PL (and it's players) must defend our honor and integrity and we must find out which league has the better players. This is something I am willing to do in SA only as obviously 888PL hold the upper hand in this event (simply due to volume of players to choose from and past results of SA players).

The above is not cocky just simple fact, we have a far greater pool of numbers to pull from and several players who have exemplary results and hence why we must decide on qualification criteria.

This events is not aimed (nor was it guided by league "floaters") instead it is designed for and with the staunch supporters of both leagues in mind. The supreme loyal supporters who refuse to play anywhere that doesn't host their league. And whilst I appreciate the offer of a venue in the BG area I think the most neutral area for this will be the southern or CBD suburbs of Adelaide as APL and 888PL both have a presence in these regions.

[MattyMoo]

First off your comment was promoting another league as better than 888PL (or could be perceived that way) and as this is an 888PL tool I won't have this happen, secondly I did this as a favour as well as I am sure that you would have started a very large flame war with that very innocuous comment. I am more than happy to put it back up if you are happy to wear the recriminations that may fall your way from your 888PL peers that attend this forum?

My comment was purely an observation not a endorsement of either league. I am sorry if you or others moderating this forum took it in any other way. I cannot control how people may perceive my posts. I think there are good players in both leagues. And yes I am well aware of the passion the majority of people rightly hold on this forum for 888PL.

This is something I am willing to do in SA only as obviously 888PL hold the upper hand in this event (simply due to volume of players to choose from and past results of SA players).

I am not sure of the stats but if you look at the other leagues national leader board, as with 888PL's Dream Team, the vast number of representation on this board are from SA also. Therefore, while the selection pool may be smaller for 'the other league' than what 888PL has to choose from in SA it may not necessarily mean 888PL have the upper hand. Are you suggesting that if you didn't feel 888PL had the upper hand then you wouldn't consider / support such an event?

Again I wish to make it clear that in NO WAY am I endorsing any of the leagues. I have friends in both camps (and others) and I am simply putting some constructive debate forward. I just felt that my post, that was aimed at making the point that there are good players outside of 888PL, which was subsequently removed was then completely validated by the resulting discussion.

[MattyMoo]

But I guess the biggest question that would need to be answered is who's cutting the cards? - The SB or C/O?

Any idea on the above?

[Garth Kay]

I am not sure of the stats but if you look at the other leagues national leader board, as with 888PL's Dream Team, the vast number of representation on this board are from SA also. Therefore, while the selection pool may be smaller for 'the other league' than what 888PL has to choose from in SA it may not necessarily mean 888PL have the upper hand. Are you suggesting that if you didn't feel 888PL had the upper hand then you wouldn't consider / support such an event?

Again I wish to make it clear that in NO WAY am I endorsing any of the leagues. I have friends in both camps (and others) and I am simply putting some constructive debate forward. I just felt that my post, that was aimed at making the point that there are good players outside of 888PL, which was subsequently removed was then completely validated by the resulting discussion.

I am not saying anything about the quality fo player based, I am pretty sure the top 5% of players in each league is quite similar in skills and playing strengths. Just that 5% of our State DB is quite a substantial number compared to APL's State DB.

We seat almost the same amount of players in one week that APL does in one month. Nothing against them, it's just market share and how it breaks down. Hence why we have a greater pool of players to draw upon. I hope that is making logical sense as I am confusing myself now.

And of course if I didn't feel the 888PL had the upper hand in this venture I wouldn't propose such an idea; the negative impact that could resonate from such a well publicised loss could be more catastrophic than first though for either league. We as 888PL come from a position of market dominance and why would I risk that if I thought our players were the underdog in this confrontation?

You're comment could quite easily have been interpreted as something other than highlighting the point that there are "good players outside of 888PL" in fact the phrasing of it read as something entirely. Hence the removal and warning Matty. I don't think we need to discuss this any more as it has been moderated and removed.

As you can see from above I am entirely honest and transparent in my comments, I have nothing to hide on this matter and yes I am motivated by the best interests of the league and business.

[MattyMoo]

[I don't think we need to discuss this any more as it has been moderated and removed.

No worries... No hard feelings just putting it out there...

[CAJ WHITING]

ok as funny and as slightly pathetic as this post is, I am going to have to step in and intervine for one and one only post.
First of all, I must give credit to where credit is due: To the T.D's, Staff and Organizers of the 888pl Teams Event. You all put on a fantasitc and enjoyable day and must be thanked proper for your efforts, so on behalf of the players that participated (well on behalf of the Wanderers) THANK YOU GUYS!!! AWSOME EFFORT!!! You made a good day GREAT!!!!

Secondly, Garth BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA your cockyness and ego has to be somewhat admired. I love the fact that you would not take on the proposed challange if you thought there would be a chance in your team losing, your players must have the highest admiration in yourself for your confidence. If your players are so good, may I ask why you are suggesting that 7-20 of your players be your staff??? Out of your apparent massive database are you telling me that you can only find 13 players of quality? I am sure your loyal 888 players would disagree.

I love the idea of some healthy competition between the leagues, I honestly think it is well over due. As far as the buy-in goes, is there really any point?? The winning team will only be playing to double their money unless you have an alternative prize structure in mind. Plus at the end of the day, we are both based on "FREE POKER" but i will leave that decision up to you.

Lets be honest, poker is poker guys. There are no more "donkeys" in any league, all leagues have their good and bad points. 888 and APL are entertainment providers, which is what both leagues try to provide to our patrons...ENTERTAINMENT. So lets make this happen and let the entertainment begin.

20 of SA 888PL's best v 20 of APL's best. But please Garth, please dont let your players see you cry when you lose.

I will personally be taking up the position of Captain for this glorious event and I expect you to do the same. Look forward to seeing you on the felt mate. Let me know your thoughts and plans for the event.

Chris Whiting

[David]

I think Garth was suggesting that 3 - 7 people from EACH team could be staff (if wanted). Not just the 888PL team. It seems illogical to think he would even consider what you said.

[Garth Kay]

{sigh}

I guess sooner or later some form of sledging would have to commence. I would admit to arrogance in this matter; the simple fact remains would either league allow it's team to compete if they honestly thought they would lose?

I was also speaking to Rino about this last night, if it is a battle of the leagues then staff should be permitted to form part of the team, I said to him that we would match APL staff for staff as we obviously have a lot more contractors in the field than APL. Rino rebuffed that saying that wouldn't be required as he believes that APL TD's are not up to competing at this level. Initially the thought was that APL staff might like to participate in this event as I know plenty of my staff will indeed look forward to it.

If it league vs. league then it should be all elements of the league, the management/administrators, the TD/TC's and the players. If you just want players vs. player then I am fine with that (but management and contractors do not participate).
As to the above I will let my players decided (benny the cunt/Jo: please submit a poll for this, thank you).

The money factor is simply "put your money where your mouth is"; no challenge is worth accepting without something other than pride and bragging rights on the line. If you wish 888PL will put up the prize money for this event, but we have home ground advantage and will play this at an 888PL venue?

[bennymacca]

(benny the cunt/Jo: please submit a poll for this, thank you).

sorry garth, what are you after?

[Garth Kay]

(benny the cunt/Jo: please submit a poll for this, thank you).

sorry garth, what are you after?

A poll on whether 888PL team should be comprised of players only or players and staff.

Simple one.