WHO HAD THE BEST ADVANTAGE GOING INTO THE FINALS Flt 1 or Fl

[David]

Honest question - did it affect your play in the last half hour? Or affect your play for the entire flight?

[BigPete33]

The only reason I went all in on my pocket 4s is because I wasn't waiting 4 hours to come back with a low stack.

Can I be a little rude and question why you even bothered to show up at all if you were going to give up so easily?

[Bob B]

What you guys might no have taken into consideration is the bulk of flight two players were from regional areas. Many having to be up as early as the flight one players in order to drive the many hours into town.

Even so, in any poker event it is ulimately up to the player to manage his time and energy as best they can. Many Pro players will arrive into another country long before the event they intend to play to both insure they adjust to the climate, are well rested and to begin managing their diet in order to achive the best possible state they can be.

I know there are alot of factors involved in people perceptions of this particluar topic but you must remember a flight system is not a method the NPL invented. It is a very common format used in events. So as i stated earlier. All the Qualifiers knew what flights they were in prior to the event and had a great deal of time to manage the situation.

I would be disapointed to think that anyone would consider this an avenue to explain poor form on the day. All any player can do is give it their best on the day and hope they play well and are not out drawn.

Best of Luck to everyone season two, 2008

Nathan Butler

Hi there Nathan. Your second paragraph (high-lighted) emphasises exactly what I was already saying regarding the country folk. By making it a two day event it would allow some of them to bring their family and make it a holiday weekend.

By breaking it into two half day sessions it allowed the visitors to also catch up with friends and relatives here in Adelaide. Or, go shopping when not playing or take their families to the Zoo or whatever they fancy doing.

Bloody hell, sometimes we need to think outside the square and making it a family affair seemed like a good idea. If the "Big Stack" weekend ever gets off the ground I would need to do exactly the same thing.

Garth has already suggested the venue would be around 300ks away from Adelaide so I would definately take the missus and make it a holiday weekend for us.

As far as you refering that I or someone else were looking for an avenue to blame "poor play" then your going down the wrong track.

The initial "POST" was asking for someone to work out the number or percentage of players from either flights. I was curious to see if it did or didn't make any difference to the days final combined players list.

I know of players who did a similar thing (allin b4 the break) in the second flight so they could go to Roulettes. Didn't make any sense to me as they may as well stayed at home.

I also suggested a 2 day event as an alternative and an additional Turbo game to include the likes of yourself to enable you guys to have some enjoyment over the weekend also.

I also like benny the cunt's idea of maybe using two venues that are very close to each other for the 2 separate flights. Pick one of the 2 venues that will hold the afternoon and final sessions.

Finally, I see the forum as an excellent "think tank" with multiple views and ideas from it's users that may help to improve the NPL and make it more enjoyable.

That's my lot for now and hopefully you may now understand why I initiated the post.

Cheers Mate all good here.

[Goose]

The only reason I went all in on my pocket 4s is because I wasn't waiting 4 hours to come back with a low stack.

Can I be a little rude and question why you even bothered to show up at all if you were going to give up so easily?

NASTY

No i didnt give up Pete but it was a tactical move considering the players, table, and time.

[AceLosesKing]

The only reason I went all in on my pocket 4s is because I wasn't waiting 4 hours to come back with a low stack.

Can I be a little rude and question why you even bothered to show up at all if you were going to give up so easily?

That wasn't rude.

And I wasn't giving up. I had a strong table image, was no 2 to act, only had Roger, SB and BB left... I didn't think Roger or SB would call, unless they had premium hands (Roger folded pocket 7s). I did not want to wait 4 hours to come back with anything less than 3x the BB. Really, the BB should've folded on J 10 off (to call was half his stack). But I digress.

Goose: You can clearly see he was talking to me.

[BigPete33]

You'll notice I was quoting AK and not you Goose

If you pushed because you felt it was time to make a move up the leaderboard, no problem and A+ for bravery.

If you pushed just because you cbf coming back later, I think that's poor. 'Chip and a chair' is absolutely true and we all know it happens all the time. Just one win, especially at the higher blind levels, can put you right back in it.

I could of course be mistaken, but I read AK's post as simply a case of giving up and just going allin.


**edit** the BB was 4k at the recombine, so you're saying you would only come back (and only from gawler) with 12k or more? The average stack size was a bit less than 20k I believe.

[Goose]

LOL

Looks like Ace we had the same problem
Our 4s got busted about the same time
(refer Final Bad Beat Stories)

Very similar

[AceLosesKing]

If you pushed because you felt it was time to make a move up the leaderboard, no problem and A+ for bravery.

True.

If you pushed just because you cbf coming back later, I think that's poor.

No, I was fine with waiting 4 hours. I just didn't want to have a poor chipstack, and thought 4s would be a good time to (at the least) steal some blinds and get some more chips.

'Chip and a chair' is absolutely true and we all know it happens all the time. Just one win, especially at the higher blind levels, can put you right back in it.

So true.

I could of course be mistaken, but I read AK's post as simply a case of giving up and just going allin.

After getting down to 600, half of that in the SB, then building that back up to 13k, I wasn't ever thinking about giving up.

**edit** the BB was 4k at the recombine, so you're saying you would only come back (and only from gawler) with 12k or more? The average stack size was a bit less than 20k I believe.

I didn't even know what I was doing during the break. I wasn't going back to Gawler (grabbed a lift to states), and I didn't expect my ride to hang around for 4 hours, maybe longer, to drop me off. If I had 2k left I would've stayed the 4 hours, I just would've preferred to have more, something I can play around with. I guess when I said I "wasn't" coming back with with a low stack, I meant that I "didn't want to."

Goose: Haha, yeah. Wtf, damn 4s

[BigPete33]

That makes more sense now AK, cheers.


4's are gun, ask Roger G !

He was allin on whatever hand he chose (or had chosen for him) when we came back for the recombine. He got drawn behind the button yet went in first hand anyway and he only had 1 caller and his 4's held up against something like A Q !



P.S. 4's are rubbish and I hate them

[Bob B]

Bob, I think the regional leaderboard thingies are partly there because those guys have very little chance to make the 'top 50' given the huge amount of games the metro players can play per week compared to the regional players.

I like the idea of the chip up to 2k if you are still in and don't have 2k already, but I think another name should still be drawn out otherwise it'd defeat what they're trying to achieve (which I believe to be keeping players at the venue partly because they might still be drawn out).

I'm finding it amusing to see any issues with being in flight 1. Would you rather get up at sparrows fart and drive for up to 4 hours just to get there and spend as much as a whole afternoon and night at the venue to then only have to drive all the way back again?

I don't think a 2 day event is the answer either, that brings things like paying for accomodation into the equation and (with all due respect) if you tried to tell me I had to do that, I'd tell you to <insert rude phrase here>

Don't undersell the country folks M8. Some of my relatives are from Broken Hill and Peterborough. They would come to Adelaide at the drop of a hat on any given weekend and we did the same when we went there.

The reason I said what I did regarding Reginal finals, is that I'm totally unaware of the system because I'm not involved. The top 50 was never an issue as I assumed they had their various playoffs because of the travel time to get to Adelaide.

I also realise that people from the Mid North, Riverland people etc, would have to travel and do so quite often. I felt it would be great for them to enjoy the event as a family rather than as an individual.

And again if and when there is a major game in the country for us to attend. I "WILL" be going on the Friday and returning on the Monday with Donna. I might even go for a week depending on the location and time of year etc.

Glad you liked the $2k rebuild if your at the table. And yes they do need to allow the additional redraws.

LOL, you silly bugga Pete. I'm sure if there were a game on the Riverland or elsewhere and it was a 2 day event you'd be right there in the room next to mine. I'd even give you and your partner a lift to keep the costs down.

See you on the felt Pete.