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Go back to where you came from - SBS Doco

Postby trishan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 2:06 am

So SBS is two episodes into its 3 episode doco called "Go Back To Where You Came From". It's really been great viewing. It's a social experiment putting regular Australians into the shoes of asylum seekers. If you aren't already following you can catch up on episodes here:
http://www.sbs.com.au/shows/goback

Thought I would start a little discussion on it and some of the issues it raises. What do you think, do we let refugees in? Would you agree or disagree with the following statement:

I think we should, only in the most exceptional of cases, allow asylum seekers refuge in Australia. I form this view for a number of reasons. First of course I have a respect for the law. We have laws for a reason and I am more than happy for people to come to Australia through the proper legal avenues. The other reason I have this view is that illegal immigrants are a huge drain on the economy.


There's no doubt that illegal immigration is a "drain on the economy" but when I see people like Raquel I just don't know. Raquel is a self proclaimed racist who is currently unemployed and probably represents a fairly large segment of the Australian population. She is uneducated and uncouth, leaching off those productive members of society. It seems if we group all the Raquels of Australia we have an equally large drain on the economy. These are people who do not contribute to society in any way. Asylum seekers would surely add more to the economy than this group.

Anyway I am interested to hear what others think.
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Postby rcon » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:58 am

Increase the intake from camps - we are an incredibly rich country and can handle more people.

However I support temporary protection visas for those arriving by irregular means - need something to break the people smugglers product offering

Most controversially, I'd propose we allow people to buy their way in. This breaks the trade in people by allowing exactly the same path to Australia, but safely and with security checks etc.

Bryan Caplan has an excellent speech on the myths associated with immigration, can be found here: http://www.fff.org/comment/com1009f.asp
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Postby maccatak11 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:03 am

The thing that annoys me is that when people hear the word 'asylum seeker' they automatically think boat person.

I don't know the figures, but Australia accepts plenty of asylum seekers who come by plane (and i believe its a fairly large majority too), not in a rickety boat from Indonesia, many of whom are skilled and contribute to Australian society when they come.

Its a vicious cycle. People coming to Australia are met with hostility and unfavorable attitudes because they don't 'fit in' with Australian society, but its these very attitudes that prevent asylum seekers from doing so.

I am fortunate enough to have taught a number of students from a family of Afghan immigrants who arrived in Australia after a few years on the run from the Taliban in Pakistan. They had been displaced from their home in Afghanistan.

One of the young lads came into year 10, having had no formal schooling in his entire life before now - he had worked as a goat herder before he came here. He is now at University studying engineering. Another family, who arrived with the first lad consisted of 4 kids, 3 boys and a girl. The three oldest have all finished school in the past three years, and are all attending university in Adelaide. Two are doing engineering, and another doing graphic design. The youngest lad, in year 11 now, will also go to university when he finishes school.

I should mention, that not all of the family members from this family made it out here to Australia. This big family had an older brother (or possibly two, im not sure) who stayed in Afghanistan - they haven't seen or heard from him since they came to Australia. This family became a part of the community in my town. The lads played cricket, and dabbled in Aussie rules, and the younger lad (in year 11 now) travels to Adelaide to play soccer for a junior grade of one of the Adelaide premier league sides.

I was lucky enough to attend a kayaking camp with one of the older siblings from this family. Some of the stories he told around the campfire were so amazing, and heartbreaking. The fact that he had seen countless dead bodies, just lying on the side of the road. The fact that the penalty for a starving family who stole a loaf of bread was having their hands cut off. And the fact that without the support of the Australian community into which they were placed, they would be fleeing, uneducated and possibly dead.

This family is extremely grateful for the opportunities that they have come their way, and are making the best of them too.

I guess what im trying to get at is that ignorant people believe that asylum seekers come to our country simply to be free-loaders off our system, and that they only choose to come here because Australia is better. I wonder how many people who think this have listened to some of the stories that these people tell. I wonder if people think it would be an easy decision to leave family members behind in a dangerous war torn place to come and start a new life in Australia - not for themselves, but because they don't want their children to grow up in the same conditions that they had to endure.

Hate the people smugglers, who soullessly profit off the hopes and dreams of the worlds strugglers, not the people who come here. I havent seen the documentary that you are talking about, but i think that its an excellent idea to place ourselves in the shoes of people who are without many of the things that we take for granted.

Half of the reason that i voted labor at the last election (besides education policies) was because of Tony Abbotts ridiculous approach to the issue of asylum seekers. His scare-mongering set Australia so far backwards on the issue its not funny. His 'stop the boats' line every five minutes made me cringe every time.
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Postby rcon » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:21 am

maccatak11 wrote:Half of the reason that i voted labor at the last election (besides education policies) was because of Tony Abbotts ridiculous approach to the issue of asylum seekers. His scare-mongering set Australia so far backwards on the issue its not funny. His 'stop the boats' line every five minutes made me cringe every time.
Stopping the boats IS stopping the people smugglers tho. I disagree with both parties, I want more immigration, but having stood on the cliff where the boat tragedy on Christmas Island happened, I strongly believe in removing the product the people smugglers trade in.
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Postby maccatak11 » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:29 am

Exactly, stop the boats by making it easier for genuine asylum seekers to come here in the first place.
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Postby bennymacca » Thu Jun 23, 2011 11:58 am

I hate people smugglers, but for the actual people coming out here via boat, can you really blame them?

I mean, if i was relatively unskilled, poor, and my homeland was getting torn apart, of course I would want to come somewhere such as australia.

So, as you guys mentioned, the solution to stopping the boats is to put much greater resources into the processing side of it. Make it very easy for people to come out here and claim asylum, and then process them as quickly and efficiently as possible. At present time, the appeals system seems to be bogging the whole system down. From what i have heard in the media, people are encouraged to come without documentation (or sometimes it is taken from them) so that when they get to australia, authorities will find it very hard to verify identity. if their application is rejected, they just appeal endlessly. this process needs to me made much smoother imo.
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Postby gundog » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:36 pm

How much are the passengers charged for a seat on a people smuggler boat ?

Why do those who decide to travel here on a boat, dispose of their documentation before arriving ?

If they are the poor and oppressed, how do they afford to pay the people smugglers and what do they have to hide by disposing of their documatation.

So how do I feel about it all " Your very welcome if you come through the front door" but queue jumpers who choose to enter illegally, then you should be sent straight back to wherever you cam from, rot in a detention facillity until make up your mind to return to your homeland.

It may sound harsh but lifes a bitch if you dont want to play by the rules.
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Postby trishan » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:52 pm

gundog wrote:How much are the passengers charged for a seat on a people smuggler boat ?


About $10,000AUD from countries in South East Asia.

gundog wrote:Why do those who decide to travel here on a boat, dispose of their documentation before arriving ?


Smugglers ask for all documentation before embarking on a journey to frustrate Australian authorities trying to determine the identity of passengers if caught on route to Australia.

gundog wrote:If they are the poor and oppressed, how do they afford to pay the people smugglers and what do they have to hide by disposing of their documatation.


Not sure exactly how it works but I think the smugglers will take whatever they have.
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Postby bennymacca » Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:59 pm

trishan wrote:More press about the show:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi ... 1gfav.html


wow this article is completely devoid of objectivity.
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