Rule clarification

[Garth Kay]

No, Luke. Of if it is preflop then they only have to go to 6K.
A re raise always has to be, at a minimum, equal to the raise. So eliminate the total bet out of the equation and only concentrate on what the raise is. If you wish to min re raise then you must double the raise and add the blind.
Follow?

[Garth Kay]

What's the go Lizard, who was the TD and what was the tournament.

[Luke05(Jamo)]

ahh ok then now i know. and the next 3 words are

[Bacon]

Here's one to confuse (fictional event)

Blinds 25/50

UTG raises to 100.

#3 re-raises to 150 (which is min raise).. all folding

SB wants to re-raise (holding AJ suited)..

Is the min raise again only 200 (as the raise was 50), or is it now to 250 (cos the total of the raises is 100)?

Ta.

[Scotty]

He can min raise to 250 total.

(still lacking the requisite caffeine levels though )

[Nathan Butler]

Nope Scott.

It is a legal raise to 200.

blinds 25/50

A) UTG Raises to 100 (50+BB)
B) 2nd to act Raises to 150 (50+50+BB)
C) 3rd Player can re-raise the raised amount of Player B (50)

So A=50, B=50 C=50 + BB = 200.

A fourth player can then even re-raise upto 250
50 + 50 + 50 + 50 + BB

See?

[Bacon]

This used to confuse me. I thought you had to double the bet to raise (ie 50/100, raised to 200, next raise had to be 400). I know this applied post-flop, but thought it did pre-flop too.

As Garth/Nathan have said, remove the blinds from the equation, cos they aren't part of the raise.

Different online sites seem to have different rules in their play-money freerolls

[Scotty]

My mistake. I was thinking of an unnamed site that used to set that 3rd min-raise as the TOTAL of all other raises.

[Nathan Butler]

When NPL first began in South Australia alot of players were very new to the game. Rather then introduce the correct (and complicated betting rules) we opted to just present the "double raise" rule of which you speak.

It was much simplier to comprehend and allowed TDs to spend less time micro-managing events. Now in season 2 of 2008. Your average player has a good two seasons exprience and is still furthering their understanding of the game (in threads such as this)

That being said we are now encouraging the correct betting procedures into our game. Players are at a better level to understand the change and it will soon become as easy as 1,2,3.

By the end of next season you won't even be thinking "double the raise" as im sure that you will all have it done pat, so to speak.

Regards

Nathan Butler

[Lizard]

What's the go Lizard, who was the TD and what was the tournament.

It was me and Moose discussing it, but it came up because another player and I were discussing it and she said she was told by 2 different TD's that they only had to raise the big blind, I disagreed so we called Moose over he agreed that only the big blind was minimum raise regardless of the larger raise but that was only preflop, after the flop the first bet sets the minimum raise, obviously not less than BB.
The thing is he said that they just went over this at some TD training so he was pretty confident he was right, think you might need to do a bit of extra training.
I always played that the minimum raise must always be equal to or more than the previous raise or bet or be at least the big blind if no bets have been made, apart from allin’s.
The tournament was at the Bremen, but it was only a friendly discussion there was no actual play that happened.