Showing Cards

[AceLosesKing]

I never show one card if I win the pot, its either muck or both, but lately I've been thinking about it.

[Garth Kay]

Sorry Burgers I would like to add one more thing:

Showing 1 card is not an option in no limit texas holdem, regardless of if you have been called or not.

I am afraid it is. Some casino's will now force you to show both hole cards if you are in a cash game, but in tournament play and the majority of casinos I have played in it is not usually enforced strictly.

I am glad to see the "two cards for a win" rule starting to be enforced more thoroughly at casino's in the southern hemisphere. Nothing annoys me more than making a losing call on the river and not getting the information you paid for.

[Nevah play JJ]

Ok, so now I have another stupid question to ask...

Say someone has bet and I am the last one to call, who shows first?
I always find that everyone is really slow to show cards, they umm and ahhh over showing, it really is frustrating, so I just show, they muck.

Dilly dallying frustrates me. I guess the question is am I breaking rules by showing first?

[Bacon]

I wouldn't think you were breaking the rules, but you aren't getting all the information you paid for (in Garth's words).

[bennymacca]

i dont think you are breaking the rules, but if i were you, i would insist to see their cards.

say something to the effect of "i paid to see your cards, lets see em"

then wait for them to show.


another question for you.

if someone calls me to a showdown, and i show, holding the nuts, do i have a right to see the other person's cards? i always thought that they had the chance to muck, but there is a certain site that i will not name (one of the biggest) that lets you have a look at what the other player was holding by looking up the hand history (which i thought was extremely wierd)

so, do i have a right to see what they had?

[Garth Kay]

Ok, Nevah play JJ:
In answer to your question;

Robert's rules: If everyone checks (or is all-in) on the final betting round, the player who acted first is the first to show the hand. If there is wagering on the final betting round, the last player to take aggressive action by a bet or raise is the first to show the hand.

What that means if everyone checks then you start from the left of the dealer and progress clockwise around the table.
If there is betting the last person to bet or raise (this does not mean call) is the first one to show their cards then it progresses clockwise again.

benny the cunt:
You always have a right to see a player's hand if you have paid to see it. A lot of players believe they can muck and that's it.
Although I would not recommend this action at casino's as it is often viewed as a breach of etiquette and the height of rudeness to most poker players.
But it is a part of the rules that you can request to see a called hand that lost, I was going to quote Robert's here but decided not to as it stated ANY player dealt in can request to see a hand, this will not happen in NPL.
Please also be aware continual requests to see a mucked hand will results in a penalty or even expulsion in most casino's.

[Garth Kay]

Oh and benny the cunt, every major site and most minor ones display opponent's hole cards, in hand history, if they called.

[bennymacca]

ok no worries garth

usually if i want to know what someone else has, i just say "what did u have"

or even better, deliberately guess something lower than what they had. i.e if i think they had trips, and mucked because i had a straight, i will say i think u had top pair, or nothing at all!

most players, except for the most cagey, will then tell everyone what they had, because they didn't wanna be seen as a bad player by going that far into a pot with so little. at the NPL level, most people tend to tell the truth when they are asked. or at least when they lie, its pretty easy to tell when they are.

usually confirms my read, which is pretty good most times. my problem is my own game LOL

[Nevah play JJ]

So much to learn.
So much confusion to be had.

Thanks for the info Garh.

[Burgers]

Just a quick one.
WSOP tournament rules will change this year so that if any players wish to openly reveal their hand BOTH cards must be displayed at any point in time or in any scenario.

Rules of poker do vary slightly from casino to casino even more so for cash games rather than just tournament rules.

I am in absolute agreement with you Garth, and hence the logic behind the thread!

I haven't read all of the NPL rules, but in all the rules for casino's etc that I've ever read - it technically states that a player must show both cards. Whether you are forced to show your cards in a showdown, or elect to show them the rule is as per stated - both is to be shown.

I am yet to see any offical written casino rules that say you can muck any combination of cards you like, however I am aware some casino's do it just to appease players on the table.

I know it's a rule being endorsed more and more on a lot of tv series tournaments.

Poker dealers in the casino are supposed to sit there fat dumb and happy. You throw them your cards and if one is turned up it's an indication you want to show and they should turn up the other (and have done it to people at my table). What do they care if it's a showdown or not.

This is in similar contrast to the rule where if you throw your winning hand into the muck pile - it is mucked. It's not the dealer job to make decisions - you indicate to them you want to show or you dont.

Pete's advice is good - never show. Many professionals do this if you watch a game in the flesh. The exception is the guys on televised events, because they're being filmed and want to show off (and their opposition can see it later anyway). Apparently many good books recommend this.

If it's in the confines of the NPL rules and people choose to show a "combination" at any stage of play, then that's their business but I would suggest is becareful categorically doing it at a random casino

If you're ever playing with more poker veternas (not that I ever will with my luck and bad beats!) it may also be considered poor ettiquite. if the flop comes out AAA and you bet and just turn over your 2, then they'll probably just think that you're a lame tosser. You're not giving away any more information than a folding (you could have the nuts or nothing) it's just a waste of time on everyones behalf. Think about what you are doing. You're not showing a bluff, you're not showing a winning hand - you're just being a butt clown.