2008 Season two AVERAGES

[the dols]

Hey Dave,

Thanks for the extra photos that are attached to your spreadsheet on the first post.

If you dont know what I am talking about then open it then move across with the arrows at the bottom.

[maccatak11]

Thanks Dave, really interesting stuff. I thought i had a pretty reasonable season, and i often wondered where i could go top 50 wise if i had the opportunity to play more games, so it was pleasing to see my name up there in 22nd on the list you created.

By the way, im not suggesting the top 50 system should be changed, as i think it works well and that regular players should be rewarded, but its pretty interesting to see some less regular players up the top. Especially players such as myself who play at a venue averaging 45 and don't have the chance at any really big points.

Thanks again Dave, awesome stuff.

[AceLosesKing]

Eggcelent job


2 riverlanders in that top 20.

only a few of the top 50 in your top 50, hmmmm the more you play the better the chance of improving your best 15, but are you a better poker player ? .......................not really

The more you play the better chance you have of improving your poker skills.

Conversely, one could say that a player with a lot of points finishes is good at "folding down" for points, and not a good poker player at all.

There's pro's and con's to each system.

[maccatak11]

Conversely, one could say that a player with a lot of points finishes is good at "folding down" for points, at not a good poker player at all.

I would say this is what every pro might do as it gets close to points so that they can make some money. Sure they won't leave themselves short stacked, and might push with anything if they have less than 5x BB, but with a middle sized stack and close to cash, what would you do?

I think you are drawing a pretty long bow to suggest that a player with a lot of points finishes is in fact NOT a good player? What does make a good player then?

[rcon]

Conversely, one could say that a player with a lot of points finishes is good at "folding down" for points, and not a good poker player at all.

I played with Peter K a number of times last season, and his game definitely improved, however he also became noticeably more conservative towards the end of the season. As you would chasing the $$.

But to say he isn't a good player is a bit of a stretch. Whilst he played 92 games, he did also win 6 games, and I wouldn't think 14:1 ratio was that of a passive folder? And some of them were big, 100+ fields.

There's pro's and con's to each system.

It all depends on your goals are really - I like the rush of the win so I tend not to blind my stack down too much as I like a big stack, or no stack, I guess the top 10 from the leaderboard like the $$ it brought - they blind themselves down if thats what it takes.

This season I will blind myself down as I'm going to play for points more often (tonight not withstanding - I'm putting it down to excitement regards the new season ), playing regularly with those from the standard top 10 has shown me that folding down does give you so many more chances to pick up premium hands and play them the way you always imagined.

Sorry for the dribble, but hey, I'm out early so I've got to rant somewhere!

[AceLosesKing]

All: I was actually referring to games in Gawler/the riverland. I should've made that clear. Not referring to metro games at all.

gundog seemed to imply that having a lot of games in the points is better than finishing 1st in the state. For example, are players that play 100 games a season and finish in the points 20 times better than players that play 40 games, and finish in the points 27 times? A valid question.

Like I said, there are pro's and con's to each system.

[Garth Kay]

AceLosesKing wrote:
Conversely, one could say that a player with a lot of points finishes is good at "folding down" for points, at not a good poker player at all.


I would say this is what every pro might do as it gets close to points so that they can make some money. Sure they won't leave themselves short stacked, and might push with anything if they have less than 5x BB, but with a middle sized stack and close to cash, what would you do?

No Pro folds their way to the money. I'm not going to get into a debate or show examples but, just about every pro I know highly recommends loosening up your game at this stage of a tourney, because novice players and rocks are folding marginal hands they would normally play to aggressive moves, as they are constantly thinking about cashing.

This type of play works in NPL as long as you identify your opponents who are chasing points and will fold marginal or even strong hands. Easy chips!

[rcon]

This type of play works in NPL as long as you identify your opponents who are chasing points and will fold marginal or even strong hands. Easy chips!

Saw this many times over the last 2 weeks of the season just gone!

[gundog]

Think about it this way, most country( gawler/barossa not considered as country for the purpose of the exercise because most will have access to metro games also) players at best have access to less games per week.

The average riverland player except Bkn Hill and Lameroo could play a maximum of 50 games per season so a player must hit points 33% of his times at the felt, his chances of being in the top 50 is less than a player who has access 90+ games per week all that player need to do is hit quality points approximatly 15% of his visits to the felt. Simple maths the more you play the better your chanced of making quality points.

The object of most country players is to make T5 at a venue if they hit the T50 in state is a bonus.

T50 for the state favors metro players that why we now have regional finals

Who's the better player ?

The player that makes points 15 to 20% of the time and finishes in the state 50 or the player that makes points 40 to 60% of the time
places in a venue and regional leaderboard or the player who plays 1 venue and places no 1 with a clear points lead.................................................................I think a player who finishes in the t3 of his region back to back seasons must be respected as a good player.

[gundog]

Macca who won his venue his strike rate must be considered as excellent, he played all 10 games DNP'd twice, finished just in points twice, played final table 6 times for 1st, 2nd , 3rd, 5th, 6th and a 9th. thats an 80% points finish and a 60% final table strike rate and thats with a venue averaging 40+ players per week.

His record speakes dor it self/