WTF IS THIS KINDA PLAY...GRRRR!

[rcon]

If u raise the way i did...K 9 can be read as a better hand than what it is by others

ah, but that doesn't make it a decent hand, and I'm sure people rate you (by virtue of being on the final table?) as having the game to make a raise (steal anyone?) with a very marginal hand. You'll miss the board 60% of the time, just like the other player will

You got caught - simple. Happens sometimes

[BigPete33]

nothing wrong with the raise, but if you get called you then have to ask 'ok what are they likely to have called a raise with?' and then you really need to consider what I mentioned.

[Garth Kay]

Shaun,
It's not always about the cards, and I suggest you re read my post.
I did say that I'm not sure your opponent had the same thoughts.

Ask anyone who has played against me in a tournament at the casino or online. My strengths are reading players and most definitely post flop play.

I will play ATC if I believe I can get you off the pot at any stages of the hand. I don't care if your raising, and if I do have a chipstack and you are new to the table I will be testing you out.

But I have to stress poker is not all about the cards. Granted your opponent played that hand very passively. But why are you betting for value? or for him to fold? If he showed you the that he only had a pair of threes, with a four kicker, on the turn; what do you want him to do? FOLD or CALL your bet?

I know I want him in that pot all the way to the river.

Several questions:
What hand where you putting him on?
What do you think he had of that board?
What does he flat call with, out of position, to an early pos raise?

You've played two hands at that table, is it possible that someone with AA or AK could play the hand the same way on the flop and turn?

[Garth Kay]

By the way don't think I am having a go here.

Anyone that knows me know I loving breaking down hands and discussing them.

And what I am trying to do here is help, nothing more.

[Shaun_DilliWilli]

If u raise the way i did...K 9 can be read as a better hand than what it is by others

ah, but that doesn't make it a decent hand, and I'm sure people rate you (by virtue of being on the final table?) as having the game to make a raise (steal anyone?) with a very marginal hand. You'll miss the board 60% of the time, just like the other player will

You got caught - simple. Happens sometimes

Hehe, got caught...K 9 preflop after a raise with only 3 4 off calling, says to me that it was the best hand preflop that hand...was also the best hand on the flop, since i hit my King...having 3 4 on a flop where u hit nothin, calling a raise has to be the worse play ever...if he was thinking of stealing the pot...y not reraise, try to give me a read that he has say A K...K Q...K J...Caught isnt the right word...i would say DO#KED

[rcon]

Hehe, got caught...K 9 preflop after a raise with only 3 4 off calling, says to me that it was the best hand preflop that hand...was also the best hand on the flop, since i hit my King...having 3 4 on a flop where u hit nothin, calling a raise has to be the worse play ever...if he was thinking of stealing the pot...y not reraise, try to give me a read that he has say A K...K Q...K J...Caught isnt the right word...i would say DO#KED

Sorry - my wording was not quite right there. Its a hand you perhaps shouldn't have been in - just like he perhaps shouldn't have been in and as such "got caught". I'm not suggesting it wasn't a nasty suckout, but rather that such things happen when you try and make a move with marginal hands.

You represented strength, but so did he with those flat calls - which could be read as slow play for a river bet, but when he hit, he wants you to go all in. You can't really fault his play either way. As Garth said, would you have played AA from his position substantially different?

[Garth Kay]

Shaun this kinda sounds like your first bad beat that has cost you something.
I have to say Welcome, please come in, take a seat but please sign the members book first!

[David]

If u raise the way i did...K 9 can be read as a better hand than what it is by others...i didnt care what i was gonna make of the K 9...i rasied to pretty much tell that i had a decend hand...so on the flop, i was still gonna be agressive if i didnt hit, continuation bet to say i still have high cards...and when i didnt that, bonus i hit my King...how can anyone call with King high with a 4 kicker...cant possibly be seen as me having something worse than that...

You can't complain because someone didn't read your intentions the way you wanted them to though.

"If u raise the way i did...K 9 can be read as a better hand than what it is by others" - Yes it can, doesn't mean they will.

"continuation bet to say i still have high cards" - So? sometimes continuation best are SO obvious.

[Shaun_DilliWilli]

If he showed you the that he only had a pair of threes, with a four kicker, on the turn; what do you want him to do? FOLD or CALL your bet?

I know I want him in that pot all the way to the river.

Several questions:
What hand where you putting him on?
What do you think he had of that board?
What does he flat call with, out of position, to an early pos raise?

I was planning to take the blinds with the first raise...didnt exactly work which is y i did the continuation bet, since i hit too...
Preflop, i really couldnt tell...after he checked the flop, kinda put him on say Q J...J 10, something that woulda been worth a call on the flop, but not worth a reraise...
After he called on the flop, on the board, i would say he mighta hit his King, probally not with the best kicker...But he checked the Turn too, so im thinking he wanted to keep the pot as low as he could to maybe try and hit 2 pair on the river...he still did, but he never had a King, Nor ANYTHING on the flop...hmmm

[BigPete33]

ah but you see, if you raised prelop (with K9) and I called with say KQ and a K hits on the flop... you bet and I think 'ok he might have a K...but K what? '

It could still be that you are holding KA KK KQ KJ KT but not K9 BECAUSE IT'S A CRAP HAND and dilli's a better player than that (sorry, bit of a rant there) so it might be better just to call with my KQ and see where I stand later on rather than push back and find out the hard way.

Also, if you have flopped the nuts... you're so check/calling are you not? If I'm not mistaken you were check/called... he could still have a whole range of hands that are better than your K 9... he did after all call your pre-flop raise.